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  1. #14
    So there's no Construction HVACR shops signed on to 638A? Are you saying Steam/Pipefitters were installing HVACR equipment?!

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    Sad to say yes. A guys and tin knockers.

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    i was on a major start up years ago in mid town Manhattan Trane SWUDs 90 units total.the sheet metal guys claimed the panels on the units as i went to start them up,and the fitters claimed the condenser water gate valves...the factory sent the units in with a solinoid to signal air to the dampers on the unit....there was no neutral on the 3 phase SWUDs the local #3 electricans claimed it and called for an extra but couldn't move the valve cause the fitters claimed the tubes connected.they wrote a book about the building...638B walking in starting up the job and the installing trades being pushed out you want to hear a bunch of grow men ***** up a storm....tooo bad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertelsmann_Building
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    holly cow! sucks to work down your way, here we get along just fine, there are no "A" or "B"

  5. #18
    Steamfitters/Pipefitters and Pipe Welders have nothing to do with trickling nitrogen thru, brazing, leak checking, evacuating and charging AC/R lines.
    As far as everything else, that's why non-Union complain about timelines as far getting things done.

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    fitters here do any and all copper on new construction,air,freon,water,medical gases...on and on..they also do vac testing with the other end with nitro pressure testing to engineer job specs.they also torch the hell out of service valves on compressors on split air cooled chillers
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Can anyone tell me how it works if you are not in the union but you get hired by a 638B shop? Do you have to take The UA star test or can they just make you a Journeyman and you buy your book?

  8. #21
    Not even med. gas is like refrigerant. It might be brazed lines, but it's one way flow. Sounds like it might be enough work to have a shop signed to Construction HVACR. How about HVACR Installation Techs? Steam/Pipefitters and Pipe Welders doing HVACR, how absurd.

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    getting hired by a 638B shop,they get you into the union,the rate and title is the company and you the union has no say on it.testing wise the UA Star is for the company rating overall.if you go in with 20yrs you should walk in to journeyman at or above scale no 45 days waiting.
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

  10. #23
    Here's question, is there such a thing as a Service Foreman on the HVACR (B) side? Can a guy on the HVACR (B) side ask for Steam/Pipefitter Journeyman or even better yet, Steam/Pipefitter Foreman wages if he's a Service Foreman? Is there a difference in fringe contributions between 638A & 638B?

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    heard that A had a C level type forman situation who would cover piping install teams with copper and such to certain sizes.they get full glasses we get 200,there pension contribution is 3X what ours is,just on the rates... a journeymen (lead tech) in B is at $36.80 always have to go for over scale into the low 40s.the 3rd yr guy in A is at around $32.99.A guys get 8 hrs minimum at double time on all weekday OT.B guys depending on (tonnage) always try for 8hrs but are grabbed by the GPS or a national contract retriction on the OT..big tonnage guys with building engineers in house alway get the 8 sign off even when they just reset the chiller...union doesn't get to involved with the OT battles that occur. 638 here is totally built from the A guys bringing in the dollars to the hall and the 2 man jobs,haven't seen a B guy with a helper in decades...
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

  12. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by maxster View Post
    heard that A had a C level type forman situation who would cover piping install teams with copper and such to certain sizes.they get full glasses we get 200,there pension contribution is 3X what ours is,just on the rates... a journeymen (lead tech) in B is at $36.80 always have to go for over scale into the low 40s.the 3rd yr guy in A is at around $32.99.A guys get 8 hrs minimum at double time on all weekday OT.B guys depending on (tonnage) always try for 8hrs but are grabbed by the GPS or a national contract retriction on the OT..big tonnage guys with building engineers in house alway get the 8 sign off even when they just reset the chiller...union doesn't get to involved with the OT battles that occur. 638 here is totally built from the A guys bringing in the dollars to the hall and the 2 man jobs,haven't seen a B guy with a helper in decades...
    This is the info I have for Steam/Pipefitter Journeyman in L#638.

    On-The-Check $47.65/Hr.
    Welfare $12.50/Hr.
    Pension $14.90/Hr.
    Vacation $5/Hr.
    Security Benefit Fund $5/Hr.
    Education Fund $0.34/Hr.
    Industry Promotion Fund 1%

    There should be at least a $3/Hr. increase by now, but I'm not sure where it goes. I don't know if it's goes all to the On-The-Check.
    Are Pipe Welders on this Total Package too?

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    Last edited by Jettinvr6sc; 09-22-2012 at 02:27 PM. Reason: wrong links

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