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    Honeywell XL15c XIF issues

    I have a project where we have about 20 XL 15C's on an R2 replacement (not a Tridium AX solution).

    All other Honeywell Lon devices (XL 10's) have been easy to integrate but we are having issues reading the XL 15C data (XIF) we downloaded from the device. There are no plug ins and no DRF files for the XL15C's. Lonspec seems to be mentioned often in other posts as a possible solution.

    Any suggestions on how to interpret or convert the data would be appreciated. The R2 panel replacement we are using talks Lon natively without drivers.

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    Since the XL15c is open programmable, not configurable, there are no standardized SNVT's, nvi/nvo, ect. Its all created by the programmer from a blank slate. Hence, standard XIF; no good it would be. Not sure how reliable generating an XIF from the device would be either.

    The programming tools for XL15 were only hosted within Tridium, and Lonspec. Both of these products have the ability to upload an existing XL15c in the field into a blank database, but uploads will miss some minor things in either product. The Tridium upload will give you working wiresheets, but will be presented as a giant pile-O-spagetti you must pull apart one icon at a time to untangle. Lonspec uses a myriad of dialog boxes, no wiresheets and some parts are NOT easy to understand if you have never been trained on it. It does not upload some comments/descriptors, ect, - things that the tool retains only for the human sitting in front of it.

    A JACE or other Lon bus management device/panel should be taking the place of the XL15's if you are retrofitting. Not sure if LNS would even work with them. Really not worth keeping them.

    Tridium is the best tool to non-destructively automagically discover the network, logic, XL15 points, even learn device to device bindings by "listening" on the wire. Once you have that, you can use it to dissect, document, then engineer a new database in whatever platform you are attempting to use.

    FYI - you need the XL10 plugins on your "new" system, to UPLOAD and save the existing XL10 configurations before commissioning/overwriting anything. You will need to have plugins to maintain XL10's going forward. Its not advised to attempt altering the XL10 configuration SNVT/SCPT's without a "wizard"/plugin, lest you mangle.

    Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marvintm View Post
    Since the XL15c is open programmable, not configurable, there are no standardized SNVT's, nvi/nvo, ect. Its all created by the programmer from a blank slate. Hence, standard XIF; no good it would be. Not sure how reliable generating an XIF from the device would be either.

    The programming tools for XL15 were only hosted within Tridium, and Lonspec. Both of these products have the ability to upload an existing XL15c in the field into a blank database, but uploads will miss some minor things in either product. The Tridium upload will give you working wiresheets, but will be presented as a giant pile-O-spagetti you must pull apart one icon at a time to untangle. Lonspec uses a myriad of dialog boxes, no wiresheets and some parts are NOT easy to understand if you have never been trained on it. It does not upload some comments/descriptors, ect, - things that the tool retains only for the human sitting in front of it.

    A JACE or other Lon bus management device/panel should be taking the place of the XL15's if you are retrofitting. Not sure if LNS would even work with them. Really not worth keeping them.

    Tridium is the best tool to non-destructively automagically discover the network, logic, XL15 points, even learn device to device bindings by "listening" on the wire. Once you have that, you can use it to dissect, document, then engineer a new database in whatever platform you are attempting to use.

    FYI - you need the XL10 plugins on your "new" system, to UPLOAD and save the existing XL10 configurations before commissioning/overwriting anything. You will need to have plugins to maintain XL10's going forward. Its not advised to attempt altering the XL10 configuration SNVT/SCPT's without a "wizard"/plugin, lest you mangle.

    Enjoy.
    Thamk you for your reply. We replaced with HON Spyders as the XL15's have been causing the customer issues for years.

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    Thank you for the reply. I replaced the controllers with Spyders.

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