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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    What manual was your recovery machine trick in agin?
    As a matter of fact I have been talking to some Carrier engineers about the method. At least with my method I am not starting a screw compressor with a bone dry oil sump.
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    I learned something from this thread anyways! , now you guys go have a beer! stan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallas Duster View Post
    As a matter of fact I have been talking to some Carrier engineers about the method. At least with my method I am not starting a screw compressor with a bone dry oil sump.

    Now who's being stubborn? I like the recovery machine method, as I already said. My point is you didn't get it from the manual and yet it works. As we have already established neither method starts a comp with a dry seperator. Since ther recovery machine method is NOT in the manual please refer to your reply to Freightshaker about not following factory procedures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Now who's being stubborn? I like the recovery machine method, as I already said. My point is you didn't get it from the manual and yet it works. As we have already established neither method starts a comp with a dry seperator. Since ther recovery machine method is NOT in the manual please refer to your reply to Freightshaker about not following factory procedures.
    I'll stop being stubborn when your claim to fame is using a procedure from a book from 1997 that has obsoleted instructions in it to work on these chiller made in this century.
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    At least stubborn on this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallas Duster View Post
    I'll stop being stubborn when your claim to fame is using a procedure from a book from 1997 that has obsoleted instructions in it to work on these chiller made in this century.

    Since I have yet to be proven wrong, despite your best efforts, I'd say my claim to fame, at least in this thread, is being right. The procedure I referenced is in print in a carrier 30GX/HX manual the procedure you referenced is not. You scolded Freightshaker for not following factory procedure yet you recommended a non factory recommended procedure. It's not your procedure that bothers me its your hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Since I have yet to be proven wrong, despite your best efforts, I'd say my claim to fame, at least in this thread, is being right. The procedure I referenced is in print in a carrier 30GX/HX manual the procedure you referenced is not. You scolded Freightshaker for not following factory procedure yet you recommended a non factory recommended procedure. It's not your procedure that bothers me its your hypocrisy.
    I didn't say I wasn't a hypocrite. Yep you were right carrier did print that back in 1997 when they introduced that chiller , wow. I have done the factory approved method before and found a better way in my opinion . It's a way better way than ever jumping out a level switch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallas Duster View Post
    I didn't say I wasn't a hypocrite. Yep you were right carrier did print that back in 1997 when they introduced that chiller , wow. I have done the factory approved method before and found a better way in my opinion . It's a way better way than ever jumping out a level switch.
    Agreed. It is a better way. See we actually agree. Like you I believe in options. Old or outdated as the jumping of switch may be it is an option. Not my first or even the best but an option none the less. I believe that was the point Freightshaker was making originally. As was I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Agreed. It is a better way. See we actually agree. Like you I believe in options. Old or outdated as the jumping of switch may be it is an option. Not my first or even the best but an option none the less. I believe that was the point Freightshaker was making originally. As was I.
    Believe it or not this is an open forum. In my opinion it is not wise to put jump out oil level switch so that a building owners and inexperienced techs/regular guests can see them. This thread probably should have been in the prof section anyway. What was your first option by the way? I could have sworn it was your option but i am too lazy to read thru all these pages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallas Duster View Post
    Believe it or not this is an open forum. In my opinion it is not wise to put jump out oil level switch so that a building owners and inexperienced techs/regular guests can see them. This thread probably should have been in the prof section anyway. What was your first option by the way? I could have sworn it was your option but i am too lazy to read thru all these pages.
    Never said what my first option would be. Every situation is different. I simply agreed with Freightshaker and tried to explain why. If there is no oil on the ground and maybe the lower glass shows oil I would attempt the pump down a couple times first, time permitting, then possibly jump it and run it up while monitoring. No oil visible maybe grab the recovery machine, time permitting. I say time permitting because almost all of the machines I take care of are process and 1 hour of production is worth 10 compressors to my customers. Every case is different and we all deal with what we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Àlways? So the comfort link version applies to the ecologic machines? What if your not that guy who carries 5 different versions of the same manual. Btw why do you have 5 versions if only the latest applies? Anyway what if you don't carry all those manuals but there is one in the machine? Do you toss it? I understand you not being comfortable with the procedure and that's fine. But you 2 jumped on me like a rat on a cheetoe because you are not comfortable with it. Even though as I said it was a carrier procedure. I never questioned your technique or ability or professionalism until mine was. So do it your way I'll do it mine, truth be told 99% of the time we do things exactly the same. But I was right whether you like it or not. Have a nice day.
    There are always reasons to carry more than 1 service manual. That manual that the link showed was pretty old, as it was made for a unit with an HSIO control. 95% of the time or better you are going to have a navigator connected to the MBB. Different EXV's (1,500 vs. 15,000 steps) codes, options, parameters, etc. Quite a few upgrades from when they made that 1997 vintage IOM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rscamaro View Post
    There are always reasons to carry more than 1 service manual. That manual that the link showed was pretty old, as it was made for a unit with an HSIO control. 95% of the time or better you are going to have a navigator connected to the MBB. Different EXV's (1,500 vs. 15,000 steps) codes, options, parameters, etc. Quite a few upgrades from when they made that 1997 vintage IOM.

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    Very true. The IOM in question, I have, is in an HX machine 1998 model. It's the original manual shipped with machine so I will use it occasionally. I have 4 HX machines at that site. 2 are newer machines with navigators but 2 are salty old dogs with vintage controls and components.

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