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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    You're attacking the messenger.
    I'm not attacking anybody, the point you missed is that your broad/general comments give the entire industry a black eye. The outcome? Building owners go with the cheapest guy because, according to you, we are all crooks...why not go with the cheapest and save some money for the next crook to fix the last crooks problems. Use your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by btuhack View Post
    I'm not attacking anybody, the point you missed is that your broad/general comments give the entire industry a black eye. The outcome? Building owners go with the cheapest guy because, according to you, we are all crooks...why not go with the cheapest and save some money for the next crook to fix the last crooks problems. Use your head.
    I am using my head, where has yours been buried for the last 3 years ???


    They are CURRENTLY going to the cheapest bidder. It has nothing to do with me calling out the crooks and I doubt lil' ole me could do any real damage to our industry anyway.


    It has to do with the fact that we are in a economic nose dive or as the President calls it ( Summer of recovery....lol ! )


    I lost a 2 year old account last week to a company that "does it all" when the general manager was replaced.

    He said we did great work but they're cheaper. Well, you get what you pay for then. You see he's new and hasn't had the pleasure of getting ripped off by a company that goes in low bid and then makes up a bunch of repairs or through their incompetence damages a lot of equipment.

    He'll call us back when he goes through the last 3 years of invoices and realizes he spent more than that in the first 6 months with the new and improved company.

    I have to say that people are twisted. To think someone would come to the conclusion that keeping their mouth shut and telling others to keep their mouth shut is the obvious solution to corralling the organized theft that some companies practice on a daily basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abcando View Post
    Today and the past few ones have been scorching hot outside and the temperatures inside our facility have been suffering badly.

    We have several 7.5 ton units each serving one wing of the building. On days with outside temps of up to about 95F, the building seems comfortable enough and the units seem able to cope up. But when it gets to about 100F out, the hallway temps begin to rise to about 78 to 81 and everyone will of course start complaining about it.

    We clean the coils regularly and we have the HVAC contractor doing regular PM's on the units. I know that these units were not designed based on these very high temperatures but I would think they should also be able to keep the building comfortable at all times.

    We have replaced older units with new ones, and the contractor have just changed them with the same sizes. With these new ones being used, we're always still having this issue of not enough cooling inside on really hot weather and we would at times end up renting portable ones to supplement the cooling.

    Do you guys think we should get bigger units? I don't remember our contractor having done any load calculations inside our facility, and we'll soon need to replace another one. Would appreciate any suggestions.

    Several units and replaced with new units yet still Problem. That tells me to look at location of these condensers are they close to each other and most importantly are they all in shaft/alley. Basically The Removed heat does it have free range or is all the hot air being Pocketed. Common problem in the city,, landlords only allow condensers in a certain area so u get a tunnel of hot air,, so when its 90 degrees its more like 100 and so on. If so I have a solution,
    surprised that wasn't asked first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    I am using my head, where has yours been buried for the last 3 years ???


    They are CURRENTLY going to the cheapest bidder. It has nothing to do with me calling out the crooks and I doubt lil' ole me could do any real damage to our industry anyway.


    It has to do with the fact that we are in a economic nose dive or as the President calls it ( Summer of recovery....lol ! )


    I lost a 2 year old account last week to a company that "does it all" when the general manager was replaced.

    He said we did great work but they're cheaper. Well, you get what you pay for then. You see he's new and hasn't had the pleasure of getting ripped off by a company that goes in low bid and then makes up a bunch of repairs or through their incompetence damages a lot of equipment.

    He'll call us back when he goes through the last 3 years of invoices and realizes he spent more than that in the first 6 months with the new and improved company.

    I have to say that people are twisted. To think someone would come to the conclusion that keeping their mouth shut and telling others to keep their mouth shut is the obvious solution to corralling the organized theft that some companies practice on a daily basis.
    Like I said, preoccupied. Your agenda was brought up by you and doesn't address the thread objectives.

    Your high post count for a newer member leads me to believe that you're short on hours and have an axe to grind. It's gotta be easier to blame the competition rather than address your own shortcomings. Maybe you got canned from your account because the property manager didn't care for your desire to make foolish remarks. Maybe they got wind of you bad mouthing their decisions in front of tenents, that seems very plausible.

    I hope you can turn things around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zartangreen View Post
    Several units and replaced with new units yet still Problem. That tells me to look at location of these condensers are they close to each other and most importantly are they all in shaft/alley. Basically The Removed heat does it have free range or is all the hot air being Pocketed. Common problem in the city,, landlords only allow condensers in a certain area so u get a tunnel of hot air,, so when its 90 degrees its more like 100 and so on. If so I have a solution,
    surprised that wasn't asked first
    They are actually spaced far apart from each other. The closest they could be would be at least 15ft., and they are all rooftop units so surroundings are wide open.

    We're having a new replacement installed early next week, same size but maybe not too late to get a larger one if we can agree that it can be done without too much additional expenses.

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    ok seems like your getting partial answers and a epeen waving contest. if at 95 degrees and below your equipment does the job they are sized correctly and working properly. most equipment is designed to maintain 20 degree between outside and inside temp sounds like they are doing all they can do close outside air dampers if you can in a nursing home i would watch it. use water as needed and when the heat is over put everything back to proper settings. Good luck and take care in the heat
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    Quote Originally Posted by 12andstilllearning View Post
    ok seems like your getting partial answers and a epeen waving contest. if at 95 degrees and below your equipment does the job they are sized correctly and working properly. most equipment is designed to maintain 20 degree between outside and inside temp sounds like they are doing all they can do close outside air dampers if you can in a nursing home i would watch it. use water as needed and when the heat is over put everything back to proper settings. Good luck and take care in the heat
    Its not the equipment that is designed to only maintain a 20 degree difference. It the system may have only been sized to maintain a 20 degree difference.

    Grocery stores have no problem maintaining 30 or more degrees below outdoor temp. The systems are sized to be able to do it. The equipment doesn't care.
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    ok that is the heart of the issue how it was designed. and not all grocery stores will do 30 degrees if they did my life would be a lot simpler when it hits 110 or more.
    We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then is not an act but a habit. -Aristotle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Excessive use of city water to cool the coils will RUIN your condenser coils.
    What is the difference between city water and rain water?
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    Lack of airflow destroys compressors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcewans View Post
    What is the difference between city water and rain water?
    Minerals, rain water doesn't have a high concentration plus it isn't being sprayed direct, 24/7.

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    It's very common in some parts of the country to use water assist on condensers during hot weather. Actually, a fine mist will leave heavier mineral deposits that a mild stream will.

    When we hit 105+ (common in Texas) we will put water sprinklers under the condensers on supermarket rooftops. Keeps the head pressures down, and washes the coils at the same time....

    Avoid "misting" coils. If you're going to use water, use a good stream.
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    John Merkyl is correct it is common the place srpinklers under coils in Texas. Had a facility with an 8 foot wall arouund the roof to hide equipment and block any breeze. When it hit 105 the rooftop temps were 115 to 125 the 70 ton McQuays would not run without water assisted cooling on the condenser coils from abouot 13:00 to 19:00 (thats 1PMto 7PM).

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    Actually its not. Not on the commercial side anyway.

    People realize that its short term and will eventually damage the coils. Of course I speak for Houston but working on roofs and in mechanical rooms for 20 years Ive seen it only a few times.

    That doesn't qualify as common.

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