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    Confused What exactly is Building Trades in the UA?

    The Local where I'm working at now calls anything within the Pipe Trades - Building Trades. Not considering what my UA card says, out here I'm a "Building Trades Journeyman (Service-HVACR)". A Construction Plumber is a "Building Trades Journeyman (Construction-Plumbing)". In my home Local, Construction is referred to as Building Trades, not Building Trades (Construction) and Service is just Service, not Building Trades (Service). Sorry if I confused anybody because now I'm confused. which way is correct? Keep in mind the variants like "Building Trades Service HVACR Tech Journeyman" or maybe the words being rearranged.

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    I have found that each local has a different designation for some jobs.

    Here we have MES techs and building trades journeyman. Other locals can have Equipment serviceman journeyman, pipifitter journeyman, steam fitter journeyman, and the list goes on and on...

    As I understand it, as long as your card says journeyman you are allowed to work on any of the trades the UA covers.
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    here in NYC we're Metal Trades covering start-ups repairs HVAC and such steamfitters 638B .fitters that actually do the installations,riser piping, towers any thing that handles fluids..are the 638A steamfitters.now when you look at the contractors listing for 638 Steamfitters.... B is service fitters,and A is Building Trades forget about doing any thing you want under UA on a job it is well defined here.get caught with a 24" pipe wrench or B tank over your shoulder unannouced they will be calling the BA in...LUNCH BREAK and then there is this group... http://www.nyspipetrades.org/
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxster View Post
    here in NYC we're Metal Trades covering start-ups repairs HVAC and such steamfitters 638B .fitters that actually do the installations,riser piping, towers any thing that handles fluids..are the 638A steamfitters.now when you look at the contractors listing for 638 Steamfitters.... B is service fitters,and A is Building Trades forget about doing any thing you want under UA on a job it is well defined here.get caught with a 24" pipe wrench or B tank over your shoulder unannouced they will be calling the BA in...LUNCH BREAK and then there is this group... http://www.nyspipetrades.org/
    Wow. I'm sure there's some kind of reason, but that's just nuts. I think they need more rules. Maybe the A side should pee holding their left hand while B uses their right and every other week they switch. Our guys are like zw17, we're in the same local, MES (mechanical equipment service) techs can work up to a certain tonnage. Anything above that tonnage is covered by Building Trades. Once an MES apprentice graduates from the apprenticeship program he is a Service Man. At any point thereafter he may be able to "upgrade" to a Building Trades Journeyman once certain criteria are met. His card may say any number of things like Refrigeration Fitter, etc. He switches from MES to Building Trades with different benefits and everything. We just share a hall, BA, same window dues, maybe a couple other similarities, but everything else is different. Some, very few, guys choose to stay MES and don't want to upgrade. Yeah... a lot of rules here too with a few disagreements.

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    Hi Maxster, this is bklyntek, now living in So.Fla. looking to come home to the big city. Been down here for 11 years. Started in trade in sept.'86 and have worked up to industrial chillers. Worked for carrier BSS in NYC & Fl.,York 02-07, And recently MCQUAY. I don't move from job-job, but the markets been tough down here. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Dad's been a member since '68 and recently retired here.
    I can be reached anytime,will update my profile,would like to talk to you.

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    This is for Maxster, added email, like to hear from when it's convenient.
    Thank you in advance.

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    Forgettaboutttit????

    how did you suvive that long without Brooklyn Slice of PIZZA out of Bayridge? forget Carrier NYC they are United Tech controlled big time you'll rock the boat if you hit that office.Trane LIC is always looking for BAS/HVAC savy guys .forget McQuay up here they are in a transistion since bought over by whoever...NYC is run out of a CT McQuay group of suits and ties...might throw a resume into SRS/BROOKLYN owners are former TRANE sales guys bailed on TRANE in 92' and built that company up bigtime...always need a sharp BAS guy...they rep Multistaak and Dectron in the metro area....and 20 or so other brands
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Chris...

    aprentices in 638B go to union hall scholl once a week get payed and progress over a 4 yr period into journey men.now thatis the scholl saying they are journey men thru testing not what they do the other 4 days...the politics are bigtime with most of the major service group in NYC on the UNION tresurary or training boards$$$$$$$.most major companies run A fitter on call to intall there bids and a support group of service B guys to pick up the contracts once signed off.believe this a lead journeyman in Metal Trades scale is $36.30 as of now with a 4th year A fitter semi-journeyman at $40.60 A lead journeymn is at $50.75 and get this when they do OT they get 8 hours guarenteed at double time and they work in pairs...swetting in a condensate trap with everything delivered to them we use to have B Business Agents but after 2000 they pushed them out a merged the BAs so we have A BAs now..and they merged the medical so B guys can cover all the A guys that ran down to Ground Zero afer the attacks.the A guys are totally union orientated and the B guys are company orientated and the union treats us like it also....check my signiture youtube to cool off.
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    maxster, we've touched on this before, how is a Chiller Mechanic at $36.30/Hr. in NYC? A Chiller Mechanic in PHX, called a "Building Trades Applied Service Journeyman/HVACR Tech" or something like that, is at $38/Hr. It's time to level the playing field out there, all Jm in the Pipe Trades should be equal, if not HVACR should be higher. This is not figuring Industrial Construction of course.

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    $36.30 is just the journeyman rate anybody doing big tonnages,absortion,elecric drive chillers, hellical start-ups and stuff up and thru $40 easy...with making his own overtime and mostly new construction
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    that $36.30 is just to be a journeyman,it is up to each tech to go into the bosses office and get what is a hated phrase to owners..."ABOVE SCALE".then the retort is oh waht is scale now and this guy has a 100 techs ..the BS never stops....top OEM chiller techs make up into the $40s with picking their overtime
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Maxster...

    What is a normal house payment in NY? How close to the city do you have to live in those locals? Our JM are about $33/hr. I'm not sure. I haven't really been in it much until recently and I'm an apprentice still.

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    Were not talking above scale. We're talking scale wage. It doesn't seem the bar is set very high for HVACR Tech/Svc Jm up there. Or is there another classification like Industrial Service Jm?

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