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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    Look scooterboy, you may be free to speak your mind about most things but when you accuse most of the GOP with mass murder, you crossed the line. That is a personal insult not to mention backwards as it is the Left who has spawned the murder of the unborn, the accidentally born and wants to bump off the aged and infirmed. It is and always has been the Left who are the fascists which equals police state. You need to do your homework and read some history instead of communist propaganda.

    As for your first point about how scary this act is yes, you have a point there. Sure, I'm worried Obama will gulag me along with millions who don't support his march to communism. You have a right to express those sentiments. But when you start calling people mass murderers, esp. with no supporting evidence, I think you need to re-think your participation here.

    Thank you.
    I need to re-think my participation here because you don't like what I said. Wow kinda sounds fascist to me, I thought we were having thought provoking discussions.
    First of all I said "virtually the entire GOP" so don't get your brown shirt all wrinkled up. I should have said the ESTABLISHMENT GOP, Maybe mass murder was not defined enough, how about mass murder of middle easterners. Also most of the GOP are now wanting to start sh*t with Iran and Syria. How is carpet bombing villages in Iraq and Afganistan not mass murder since both wars are UNCONSTITUTIONAL because they were never DECLARED or VOTED on by congress.
    You are right about the left they are fascists but the ESTABLISHMENT GOP is not far behind they have lost thier way. The Patriot act 1&2, The New National Defense Authorization Act, The war on drugs, The expansion of the police state DHS. They are lovers of big government just as much as the left.
    I know my history and I'm a libertarian which is about the furthest you can be from communist so I think you need to STUDY your history instead of spewing ESTABLISHMENT propaganda.
    I'm truely sorry if you took offence but the ESTABLISHMENT GOP and the ESTABISHMENT DEMS are TWO heads of the same snake.

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    You are still making unfounded accusations Easyrider about "carpet bombing" villages? Yes, we used some B-52 'Arc Light'-type bombing runs in both Gulf Wars but I haven't seen any evidence of unguided carpet bombing on villages. We have been using 'smart' munitions in built up areas, which has cost American lives but the decision was to minimize civilian collateral losses. War is and will be imperfect. I think your assertions are still over the top. As for my suggesting you re-think your participation here being fascist, did you not read the Mod's post following mine asking you to tone down your language. If the concept of any form of police power, laws and civility constitute "fascism" to you then I guess that's your paradigm but it does not fit the conventional definition.

    We have fought many conficts that were undeclared wars and/ or without Congressional approval in our history. We have a POTUS now who ignores Congress and does what he wants. He may instigate a crisis with Iran or elsewhere in Late Oct just in time to declare martial law and complete his coup d' etat. We'll see.

    I too am somewhat libertarian but at times you sound more like an anarchist not respecting any form of government. I recognize the need for limited government as envisioned and designed into our Constitution but not the system we have today. I do agree with you the Republican Party is just a lite form of the Democrat Party. That's why the Tea Parties sprung up.

    We can agree to disagree but again I ask you to reconsider your harse language accusing the Republicans of mass murder and carpet bombing.

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    Eh-hem...being watched closely...FYI.
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    The ability to see things from BEYOND one's personal views, is, IMO, important to mature and wise thinking. If one can only see what they 'want' to see (as in a liberal who cannot understand the why's of conservatism; or a conservative that cannot understand the why's of liberalism)... well IMO they are just childish, immature, selfish, and again IMO not qualified to vote or hold public office.

    Winston Churchill... which was IMO wiser than ANY polecat (politician today), said: "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart... however; If you do not grow to be a conservative, you have no brains."
    Now either Winston Churchill was a dummy, or he understood something we need to learn... anyone care to explain which one it is?

    This country was never founded to be a 'free for all'... it was designed so RESPONSIBLE and MATURE folks could enjoy freedoms selfish children would destroy.

    I still think the founding fathers had it right: ONLY landowners get to vote. That way, only folks with a vested interest and the maturity which ONLY comes from experience and success, get to make the rules.
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    Absolutely..couldn't agree more!
    To put the world in order, we must first put the nation in order; to put the nation in order, we must put the family in order; to put the family in order, we must cultivate our personal life; and to cultivate our personal life, we must first set our hearts right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    The ability to see things from BEYOND one's personal views, is, IMO, important to mature and wise thinking. If one can only see what they 'want' to see (as in a liberal who cannot understand the why's of conservatism; or a conservative that cannot understand the why's of liberalism)... well IMO they are just childish, immature, selfish, and again IMO not qualified to vote or hold public office.

    Winston Churchill... which was IMO wiser than ANY polecat (politician today), said: "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart... however; If you do not grow to be a conservative, you have no brains."
    Now either Winston Churchill was a dummy, or he understood something we need to learn... anyone care to explain which one it is?

    This country was never founded to be a 'free for all'... it was designed so RESPONSIBLE and MATURE folks could enjoy freedoms selfish children would destroy.

    I still think the founding fathers had it right: ONLY landowners get to vote. That way, only folks with a vested interest and the maturity which ONLY comes from experience and success, get to make the rules.
    You say its wise and mature to be able to see both sides. But then by the Churchill quote seem to say that the other side has no brains. OK fine.

    And the land owner thing needs a bit of work IMO. What about a Doctor or similar that rents an apartment on Park avnenue or a beach front house, he dont get to vote? Especially after the recent housing debacle I was left wondering who really was smarter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    You say its wise and mature to be able to see both sides. But then by the Churchill quote seem to say that the other side has no brains. OK fine.

    And what about a Doctor or similar that rents an apartment on Park avnenue or a beach front house, he dont get to vote?
    OK, I will address your questions:

    The quote suggests a person with brains DOES see BOTH sides.

    In a society which limits voting to responsible folks... the economic system would favor responsible folks. Some study of history would bring out that point.

    IMO (not always humble), one needs to look at a bigger picture than either today, or short term. History repeats itself, simply because human nature does not change and history is the study of what humans do. If one is wise enough to find the patterns in history and learn to interpret them... they will know (roughly) what is coming tomorrow. In my observations: few do this. I often wonder why... I guess knowing is just too much work or they just do not care.
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    actually iraq and afganistan were approved by congress. THE attacks on libya by Obama were not

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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    OK, I will address your questions:

    The quote suggests a person with brains DOES see BOTH sides.

    In a society which limits voting to responsible folks... the economic system would favor responsible folks. Some study of history would bring out that point.

    IMO (not always humble), one needs to look at a bigger picture than either today, or short term. History repeats itself, simply because human nature does not change and history is the study of what humans do. If one is wise enough to find the patterns in history and learn to interpret them... they will know (roughly) what is coming tomorrow. In my observations: few do this. I often wonder why... I guess knowing is just too much work or they just do not care.
    Pontifications from a dude whose main source of wisdom is laughably inaccurate pass-along e-mails.
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