What is up with Tyler

[billbing]

What does Tyler think they are doing?
We have had five rack systems installed in one of our stores.



They all have oil seperaters.



However, no one ever replaced the plastic plug in the bottoms of these.
The manufacturer of the oil seperator, Henry instructs the installer to replace the plastic plug with a metel one before placing these in operation.



After two years of operation these are starting to fail. This is the first hint that we had a problem.



By the way have any of you had problems with oil level floats? This store has had three of these fail in the last couple of months. One failed closed, Oil pressure safety caught that. All OK. However, two others have failed open. One of these took out the valve plate of the compressor it was on. I am afraid that we may see compressors go if these keep failing.

All of the failures have been on different racks so I can not find a common link other than they are all (Henry S-9090)s

[mikale]

Originally posted by billbing
What does Tyler think they are doing?
We have had five rack systems installed in one of our stores.


However, no one ever replaced the plastic plug in the bottoms of these.
The manufacturer of the oil seperator, Henry instructs the installer to replace the plastic plug with a metel one before placing these in operation.



After two years of operation these are starting to fail. This is the first hint that we had a problem.

What a cluster f##k.

This is not just a plastic plug, it is a shipping device to hold the float in the up position to ensure the seat and needle are not damaged. (1/8 npft * 2 inches long)

You have been operating with no oil sperator.

No oil precharge to protect the seperator.

This is not a henry fault, installer and commisioning agent.

Regards Mikale

[NedFlanders]

bad start up

[Dowadudda]

Originally posted by NedFlanders
bad start up

Oh no, Ed, it's gotta be Tyler's fault.

Cmon. A shipping plug not removed and Tyler get's slammed. That's Bull $hit.

Tyler Racks are probably the easiest to work on. And there support to people "in the know" is superior to any of the Major refrigeration manufacturing outfits.

I am starting to dig Hill Phoenix, cause were the dealer. I think the equipment is well made.

[freezerfixer]

i like those racks. i just rebuilt a oil seperator like that one the other night! i'm with mikale,there is no way that seperator has been operating properly with that plastic shipping plug. it's getting to where nothing suprises me anymore. haha

[smilies]

Originally posted by billbing

However, two others have failed open. One of these took out the valve plate of the compressor it was on. I am afraid that we may see compressors go if these keep failing.

All of the failures have been on different racks so I can not find a common link other than they are all (Henry S-9090)s

That is an "extended" plug. It's been keeping the valve open, that's why you lost those pumps.

EDIT: My bad, it's been brought up already. Start up's fault.

[Edited by smilies on 08-03-2006 at 11:51 PM]

[mikale]

Hello Billbing

The failure rate of the S9090 is rare, they are better than the sporlan.They have a goog range of 5 to 90 psi. Most issues arise from carbon sluge if the installer was lacks on the nitrogen purge when piping. We do install an angle valve on the plastic plug location for clean out, draining and oil precharge. If this has the bypass oil filter then the sluge has gone to the oil level pots at the compressor.

Pull the oil screen on the compressor, drain the oil resovoir, install new filter, clean out seperator, confirm check valve operation (20 psi differential), if in doubt do a complete oil change on all compressors.You can remove the glass an clean out and flush the oil pots. Hope you resolve this or compressor change outs are next as you know.

Regards Mikale

[thegoodhumorman]

Originally posted by Dowadudda

Originally posted by NedFlanders
bad start up

Oh no, Ed, it's gotta be Tyler's fault.

Cmon. A shipping plug not removed and Tyler get's slammed. That's Bull $hit.

Tyler Racks are probably the easiest to work on. And there support to people "in the know" is superior to any of the Major refrigeration manufacturing outfits.

I am starting to dig Hill Phoenix, cause were the dealer. I think the equipment is well made.

Start up guy couldve let it slip easily- I mean who the hell would look for that?
Rack Const foreman fault- all the way down to that lowly apprentice who forgot because his girlfriend just told him she was tired of waiting for him to make that J-man rate
so she's leaving him.
Thats the worst kind of manufacturer screw up- the kind you didnt catch until its too late.

I agree Dow- the HP stuff is pretty straight forward although they can get intricate in wiring in safeties,
I am just glad they finally learnt them boys in Conyers how to weld with that low temp crap solder.

That rack looks about ten years old judging by its set up, not including the comtrol.

[jms]

Don't believe you are having oil float failures,as they arent that common, especially in multiples on such a new system. Sounds like oil is comming back through the suction and overfilling some bodies and shorting oil to others.A sight glass on the inlet to the resevoir will tell you how well, if at all the seperator is working.Helical seperators rarely fail but can have a tough time seperating under low load conditions.

[Edited by jms on 10-03-2006 at 08:49 PM]

[shaun66]

I have started 10 Tyler racks this yr, pretty hard to miss plastic plug, BIG BAG with paperwork tied onto it -saying to install metal plug

[sumdumguy]

yep, got slug? mikale is right thats for shipping. i also had to install one for a jouneyman as i am a lowly T aprentice whos girl friend left cause im not making j scale. haha. you need an oil change n new filters.

[Dowadudda]

can you imagine the amount of oil in that system. Good God.

[slimwoodie]

What a cluster f##k.

This is not just a plastic plug, it is a shipping device to hold the float in the up position to ensure the seat and needle are not damaged. (1/8 npft * 2 inches long)

You have been operating with no oil sperator.

No oil precharge to protect the seperator.

This is not a henry fault, installer and commisioning agent.

Regards Mikale

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