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    Liberalism wins when liberty surrenders. Every Conn here or any where else should be more resolved after the decision than ever before making sure this scum bag pays for his lies by way of the November elections.

    Obamacare will bankrupt this Country with the initial CBO cost now doubled. Employers that will dump their employees over to the State pools. The mandate was just the way to kill a terrible bill.

    The damage it does will have a "D" next to it for generations. Unfortunately sometimes the stupid ones have to suffer before they learn whats right.

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    I predicted that the HC bill would be found Constitutional. (Which I don't care how they ruled, it's not.) I predict Obama will be re-elected by hook or by crook.

    Yes it's bad law, those that pay attention know that. Problem is, there are too many people that do not pay attention because they are more interested in the latest app. for their Iphone or the sport of the season.

    There are some good things in the bill, I will admit. But, that's all your going to hear about and see right now.

    The only thing this is going to do is one more time give the screws to the honest citizen. Gang bangers, crooks, illegals et. al. still get their free health care as you can't force someone off the tax code into it. This will not bring costs down. We will re-visit this in a year and I will bet dollars to doughnuts all of our insurance costs will have risen......maybe more than ever before in one year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    I disagree. Obamacare is the last thing any Dem wants to talk about. Now they HAVE to talk about it.

    The decison doesn't make it a good law. Its still a disaster and the American people know it.

    I think this ensures his defeat. Even Obama knows this is a tereible law.
    I dont know all the ramifications of the law. But in principle whats wrong with everyone having to pay into a system that they will undoubtedly be using at some point? I pay alot of money for my health care, I would like to see everyone else have to pay for it if they expect to be able to use it when needed. Political posturing, aside I just dont understand why people especially conservatives are against it? The only people that I could see being against it are people with no health care who think they can "just roll the dice" and hope they dont get sick. Well if they lose their bet, guys like me who have been paying have to pick up their bill as well, when they go to the emergency room and dont pay their bill. And this happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    I dont know all the ramifications of the law. But in principle whats wrong with everyone having to pay into a system that they will undoubtedly be using at some point? I pay alot of money for my health care, I would like to see everyone else have to pay for it if they expect to be able to use it when needed. Political posturing, aside I just dont understand why people especially conservatives are against it? The only people that I could see being against it are people with no health care who think they can "just roll the dice" and hope they dont get sick. Well if they lose their bet, guys like me who have been paying have to pick up their bill as well, when they go to the emergency room and dont pay their bill. And this happens all the time.
    Why not send them to a less expensive alternative? Most people don't need emergency care; they just don't know where else to go. But when the emergency room is the most expensive option, why continue to make it the only option for those who can least afford it?

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    Instead of saying "Sure, I'll pay for his insurance," why not provide a low cost option and let the patient pay to the best of his ability?

    One of the reasons insurance is expensive is because of the bookkeeping and administrative requirements. Another reason is that with insurance, people tend to get more tests and more expensive services than they need.

    Why not skip the insurance, skip the bookkeeping, skip the administrative requirements, skip the emergency room, skip the extra tests, skip the expensive services, send the patient to a low-cost clinic, let the patient fork over some cash, and make up the shortfall?

    Having a stupid system in place doesn't mean we have to keep paying through the nose for it and ignoring other options. All we have to do is open our eyes, put our heads together, and make some intelligent decisions. Or, if we're too lazy to do that, let's find somebody who has a more sensible system in place and copy it.

    Yeah, right, you say, like who, for example?

    Like Grand Junction, Colorado, for example:

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    I dont know all the ramifications of the law. But in principle whats wrong with everyone having to pay into a system that they will undoubtedly be using at some point? I pay alot of money for my health care, I would like to see everyone else have to pay for it if they expect to be able to use it when needed. Political posturing, aside I just dont understand why people especially conservatives are against it? The only people that I could see being against it are people with no health care who think they can "just roll the dice" and hope they dont get sick. Well if they lose their bet, guys like me who have been paying have to pick up their bill as well, when they go to the emergency room and dont pay their bill. And this happens all the time.
    There is nothing wrong with that. Its a great concept but its not the governments responsibillity to mamdate that with threats of taxes.

    We used to live in a free society where people understood the consequence of their actions.

    When people stop doing that the response is not to trade liberty for safety. To Obama and his ilk it has nothing to do with health care. Its about fundamentally transforming society.

    He is ashamed of this country. That we've got to where we are by raping robbing and stealing and slavery.

    This is the guy that gets to sick the IRS on you. This is the guy that redefines libeety in our country.

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    Supreme Court Decision on ObamaCare

    It seems that the real decision that the court made is that there is NO limit on how much congress (government) can tax us. The court now claims that ObamaCare is simply a tax and therefore constitutional.

    Therefore, the court is ruling there is no actual limit on taxation and no limit on what purpose for which the tax may be used for.

    This gives socialism a free hand at taking over our Republic!! The Republic as we know it is currently doomed and headed directly for Socialism or worse.

    Your views please???
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    The last President elected by Conservatives appointed the Justice that made the decision. There are no conservatives in Politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    There is so much wrong with this bill other than the mandate. Its a manipulation by Obama to turn us towards single payer. It was his intention all along.
    I always thought this whole Obamacare thing was a waste of time because there really was no cost savings that you would get from a single payer system. I may have misjudged him. Maybe he is smarter than I thought.




    Obamacare will bankrupt this Country with the initial CBO cost now doubled. Employers that will dump their employees over to the State pools. The mandate was just the way to kill a terrible bill.

    The damage it does will have a "D" next to it for generations. Unfortunately sometimes the stupid ones have to suffer before they learn whats right.
    Let me get this straight. Employers will not have to supply expensive health care plans that make them less competitive in the world economy. In other words they may even see more reason to expand and create jobs in the U.S. if one of their biggest non-profit-generating expenses gets off their backs (next one is pension responsibilities). So in freeing companies from having to be nannies for their employees may make them more profitable.

    Not sure why employee health care was a company's responsibility in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    The last President elected by Conservatives appointed the Justice that made the decision. There are no conservatives in Politics.
    You cant blame Bush for that dip sh*ts 180 degree spin.

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    So how is making everyone pay for healthcare going to bankrupt the country? That is a crazy idea.

    The number of bankruptcies in America due to people not having health insurance or insurance companies dropping people after they need to borrow is what is bankrupting this country.

    you say it's not the governments responsibility to mandate these things? It IS their responsibility....

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

    Notice that last line? When the country is going bankrupt because people are not responsible enough to take care of themselves the government has the power to do something about it....I don't know how many times I have to post this before you take a hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    The last President elected by Conservatives appointed the Justice that made the decision. There are no conservatives in Politics.
    Hey ace the commie loving Dems filibustered and stalled to keep him from appointing an "American" to the Supreme Court. All the Democrats want in there is leftests who will sell America out and that is what they got. Thank you very much
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    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    You cant blame Bush for that dip sh*ts 180 degree spin.
    Bush knew what/who he appointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    So how is making everyone pay for healthcare going to bankrupt the country? That is a crazy idea.

    The number of bankruptcies in America due to people not having health insurance or insurance companies dropping people after they need to borrow is what is bankrupting this country.

    you say it's not the governments responsibility to mandate these things? It IS their responsibility....

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States

    http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/cha...ranscript.html

    Notice that last line? When the country is going bankrupt because people are not responsible enough to take care of themselves the government has the power to do something about it....I don't know how many times I have to post this before you take a hint.
    Hey Student could you tell me how did you become such a believer in the far left or socialism? Was it your teachers, parents or what? Thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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