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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Mr. Student sounds young and naive and has probably taken his marxist education literally. Hopefully in time he will read more and become wiser as to how the world actually works.
    Some of us have to have our rose colored glasses smashed into our eyes before we are able to see the world as it really is.
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    WOW


    I just read through this whole thread. Seriously? I can't believe what I just read. It is 2012 right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Let's start with the American "tradition" of marriage. What do you say has been the American "tradition" of marriage?

    How about the American "tradition" of acceptable social behaviour between two men in public?

    You are the one who proposed "tradition", so please stay withing what are American "traditions".
    Well the American tradition of marriage has always been one man and one woman...and for the majority of my life I agreed with this.

    Two men in public? Tradition is that two men should not be "together"....especially in public. Believed this one most of my life as well.

    The problem is that in my opinion some traditions should change as time goes on.

    Once it was tradition to have a slave...tradition to have as many children as possible in order to work the farm....tradition that when a man and woman married, the man would leave his family farm and join his wife's family farm...Duels to the death....human sacrifices...

    The list could go on and on, the point is that while it's terrible to let go of some traditions, other traditions are simply old world beliefs that either do not make sense anymore...or did not make sense in the first place and should be changed.

    We do have a thing in America called freedom of religion....and marriage between people of the same sex is permitted under certain religions. Which means that by outlawing gay marriage the government is in violation of the first amendment.

    So when you call me a commie, is it because you believe that Christianity overrides the constitution of the United States...or because you just like picking on people who tell the truth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pas1216 View Post
    WOW


    I just read through this whole thread. Seriously? I can't believe what I just read. It is 2012 right?
    Yes, it is 2012. What is your point? Should we be going back to how things were some three thousand years ago in Sodom or Gomorah?
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    Well the American tradition of marriage has always been one man and one woman...and for the majority of my life I agreed with this.

    Two men in public? Tradition is that two men should not be "together"....especially in public. Believed this one most of my life as well.

    The problem is that in my opinion some traditions should change as time goes on.

    Once it was tradition to have a slave...tradition to have as many children as possible in order to work the farm....tradition that when a man and woman married, the man would leave his family farm and join his wife's family farm...Duels to the death....human sacrifices...

    The list could go on and on, the point is that while it's terrible to let go of some traditions, other traditions are simply old world beliefs that either do not make sense anymore...or did not make sense in the first place and should be changed.

    We do have a thing in America called freedom of religion....and marriage between people of the same sex is permitted under certain religions. Which means that by outlawing gay marriage the government is in violation of the first amendment.

    So when you call me a commie, is it because you believe that Christianity overrides the constitution of the United States...or because you just like picking on people who tell the truth?
    So, you are advocating that traditional values about marriage and social behaviour should be changed so that the traditional attitudes are no longer valid? Are you aware that there were times when the social acceptance of blatant homosexuallity were considered traditional? Are those the times you propose we go back to?

    What religions have homosexual marriages traditionally been acceptable?

    I've never called you a commie. I do believe you are naively buying into a lot of Socialist rhetoric, though.
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    The debate over whether homosexuallity should or should not be acceptable as normal social behaviour has nothing to do with the fact that I don't want to put something in my mouth that makes me think about homosexual acts because of public airing for support of homosexuallity by those who produce the food products I now look at as being distasteful.

    I wrote a very fair email to Kraft Foods explaining my position on this. It will be interesting to see if I get a response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    So, you are advocating that traditional values about marriage and social behaviour should be changed so that the traditional attitudes are no longer valid? Are you aware that there were times when the social acceptance of blatant homosexuallity were considered traditional? Are those the times you propose we go back to?
    What I'm saying is that this is America....the so called "land of the free"...but yet we keep restricting the freedoms of everyone in this country with beliefs that are unconstitutional.

    Too many of us use the constitution to defend our values, but dismiss it when our values are on the offensive...like this whole homosexuality thing.

    If we are going to pick and choose which parts of the constitution appease us and throw away the rest of it...then why did our forefathers even go through the trouble of writing it.....why not just throw it in the garbage and live however we want to?

    Yes...maybe homosexuality is a terrible thing when allowed to go on unchecked...but anything is bad when taken to an extreme....extremism of all forms is what we must fight.

    We have the laws in place that are supposed to prevent PDA of certain kinds, and I think they should be enforced.

    Marry who you want to marry, be with who you want to be with...but leave it behind closed doors as far as sex goes. Holding hands or hugging...in my opinion is not disturbing....even a peck on the cheek...hell that's how Italians greet someone that they know.

    We are or were at one time a nation of immigrants, and to me that means that there is not one set of American traditions but many...as we are a nation of many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    What I'm saying is that this is America....the so called "land of the free"...but yet we keep restricting the freedoms of everyone in this country with beliefs that are unconstitutional.

    Too many of us use the constitution to defend our values, but dismiss it when our values are on the offensive...like this whole homosexuality thing.

    If we are going to pick and choose which parts of the constitution appease us and throw away the rest of it...then why did our forefathers even go through the trouble of writing it.....why not just throw it in the garbage and live however we want to?

    Yes...maybe homosexuality is a terrible thing when allowed to go on unchecked...but anything is bad when taken to an extreme....extremism of all forms is what we must fight.

    We have the laws in place that are supposed to prevent PDA of certain kinds, and I think they should be enforced.

    Marry who you want to marry, be with who you want to be with...but leave it behind closed doors as far as sex goes. Holding hands or hugging...in my opinion is not disturbing....even a peck on the cheek...hell that's how Italians greet someone that they know.

    We are or were at one time a nation of immigrants, and to me that means that there is not one set of American traditions but many...as we are a nation of many.
    The only thing this thread is about is the freedom of some to not support the agenda of others. What problem do you have with that?

    I kiss men on the check from time to time, even in public. What does that have to do with having to think about homosexual acts when eating something that is creme filled or a weiner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    The only thing this thread is about is the freedom of some to not support the agenda of others. What problem do you have with that?

    I kiss men on the check from time to time, even in public. What does that have to do with having to think about homosexual acts when eating something that is creme filled or a weiner?
    You are right....I already agreed that you have the freedom to express your beliefs.

    Someone mentioned that I was a commie for believing the way I do....and I figured that I needed to explain why my beliefs are constitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    You are right....I already agreed that you have the freedom to express your beliefs.

    Someone mentioned that I was a commie for believing the way I do....and I figured that I needed to explain why my beliefs are constitutional.
    Glenn calls everyone a commie. He's still an ok guy.
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    Remember all those white people back in the day that were protesting to keep black people out of white schools. Blacks had their own water fountains and bathrooms, couldn't sit in certain spots on the bus......... seems ridiculous now doesn't it. Because we know better.

    Now, think about what you're saying about gay people.


    If you stop buying Kraft products what do you expect to happen? Let's just say Kraft takes your side and say's "okay, no more supporting gay's". Do you think all these gay groups are going to go bankrupt and all of a sudden everyone will stop being gay??????? You sound so ignorant it's not funny.

    I thought I would add. I don't understand why someone would want to be gay. But at the same time, that doesn't give me the right to judge another persons choice. It's their life and they can do what they want with it.

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    Come to Detroit and see how all that is working out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pas1216 View Post
    Remember all those white people back in the day that were protesting to keep black people out of white schools. Blacks had their own water fountains and bathrooms, couldn't sit in certain spots on the bus......... seems ridiculous now doesn't it. Because we know better.

    Now, think about what you're saying about gay people.


    If you stop buying Kraft products what do you expect to happen? Let's just say Kraft takes your side and say's "okay, no more supporting gay's". Do you think all these gay groups are going to go bankrupt and all of a sudden everyone will stop being gay??????? You sound so ignorant it's not funny.

    I thought I would add. I don't understand why someone would want to be gay. But at the same time, that doesn't give me the right to judge another persons choice. It's their life and they can do what they want with it.
    This thread is not about ranting against homosexuals at all. This thread is simply about Kraft Food's choice of advertizing turning me against wanting to buy or eat Kraft Foods.

    This thread has nothing to do with restricting anyone's freedoms. It is in fact about excercising the freedom's of those who are being told to just shut up and take whatever we decide to shove down your throat by people who don't feel that others have a right to express themselves if what we have to say does not comply with what they believe.

    I am not asking anyone to boycott Kraft Foods. I am merely posting my feelings about something that is going on in the world. Why are you upset that I am posting my beliefs? Why do you feel it is alright for you to want to force me to accept the lifestyles and beliefs of others when you are so intolerant of my rights and beliefs?
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    Government is a disease...
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