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    X13 motors

    I heard someone say that they are a recall on the x13 motors. Said that they heard it was a lot of them. The problem was with them overheating. I believe they said it had something to do with a resistor in motor. Carrier, icp, and all gentra motors from 2010 to present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teldallas View Post
    I heard someone say that they are a recall on the x13 motors. Said that they heard it was a lot of them. The problem was with them overheating. I believe they said it had something to do with a resistor in motor. Carrier, icp, and all gentra motors from 2010 to present.
    I have not heard that and we have had 0 issues with them.
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    Went into a baker dist. In NC and they could not get one until July 12. They told me to put in a reg. Motor and relay until then. This is icp air handler. Just trying to make sure that is not going to be a reg. Problem. Thanks again

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    We've had about 8 of them fail in the last two weeks. All Carrier and Payne, and all right at 2 years old.

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    I just pulled a x-13 motor off of a 2010 Carrier air handler. Carrier wants to send the board that's on the end bell of the motor. Have y'all heard this? There were 80 motors at the factory and are expensive.


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    We have seen with the carrier FX4D models fail, ranging from 1-3 years old. Shaft spins, has proper high and low voltage. I bought a zebra stat and started using that and still nothing happens, when we install the zebrastat and try to control the motor that way. once we replace the motor it fires right up. I haven't heard of any recalls about them, other than that there was some resistor failure that came from a carrier rep but her played dumb to even it being a mass problem. I know techs in a few other states that see the problem.
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    i've had 6 fail in the past 2 months all in the 2 year window

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    Ive changed several x13 motors down here in NC. there was a bulletin we got that told us which motors are affected. ill post it tonight when i figure out how to do it.

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    DEALER SERVICE BULLETIN


    Number: DSB 12-0019
    Date: 6/5/12 Supersedes: New

    Title:
    Regal Beloit X-13 Blower Motor DOA
    Failure

    PRODUCT CATEGORY:

    Residential Fancoils (RFNC)
    Small package products (SPP)

    MODELS AFFECTED:

    Bryant: FB4C, FX4D (all sizes), 574D,577C,604D,607C,677C,704D(24,36)
    Carrier: FB4C, FX4D (all sizes), 48ES,48VL,48VT,50ES,50EZ,50VL,50VT(24,36);50ZP(36) ;50ZP(30)
    Payne: PF4MN(A,B) (all sizes), PA3G,PH3G,PY3G(24,36);PA3Z,PH3Z(30,36,48)


    Serial Number(s): 1212A##### – 2012A##### (RFNC)*;
    1112C##### – 2012C##### (SPP)*

    * Not all units within the date range are affected. A list of specific serial numbers affected can be
    obtained through your Distributor Service/Account Manager. This bulletin only applies to the specific
    list of serial numbers provided by your Distributor Account Representative.
    SITUATION:

    The situation with the X-13 blower motors is related to the control section of the motor. There are two
    internal control components, a transistor and comparator, which in conjunction with the controls
    firmware, depending on the controls temperature, may cause the motor to cycle on and off. The
    higher the ambient temperature, the more likely the motor will cycle on and off. The 1/3 hp, ½ hp and
    ¾ hp motor control date codes affected are between March 5, 2012 and April 20, 2012 (Date codes
    identified on motor control label, see page 3).

    Not all of the motors in this date range will experience this cycling issue due to the mix of components
    tolerance stack up and ambient temperature exposure.

    Residential Fancoils motor part numbers
    HD42AE230 HD42AE231 HD42AE232 HD42AE236 HD42AE237
    HD42AR223 HD42AR224 HD42AR225 HD42AR226 HD44AE137
    HD44AE155 HD44AR233 HD44AR234 HD44AR235 HD44AR240
    HD44AR241 HD44AR242 HD46AR241 HD46AR242 HD46AR246
    HD46AR247 HD46AR248 HD46AR249 HD46AR250 HD46AR251
    HD46AR252 HD46AR253
    Small package products motor part numbers
    HD42AR235 HD44AE150 HD44AE234 HD44AR237 HD44AR238
    HD46AE224 HD46AR220 HD46AR233 HD46AR234 HD46AR235
    HD46AR236 HD46AR243


    DSB 12-0019

    SOLUTION:

    The solution to this situation will be handled as a Regal Beloit sponsored program. The solution
    options will be discussed later in the bulletin in the appropriate “Action” section.

    Dealer Action:

    At the dealer’s option, inspect and isolate uninstalled units in inventory that contain blower motors
    with March 5, 2012 and April 20, 2012 control date codes. If you choose to inspect any inventory
    units, the highest concentration of affected motors will be in the earlier production weeks 12 through

    17. Rework all isolated units and return to inventory. Inspect all motor inventories for affected
    numbers and date codes.
    Motors that have been replaced within the serial number range needs to be discarded. Each set of
    motor labels (name plate and control label, see picture, page 4) needs to be returned to verify the
    motor’s disposal. Remove both motor labels and place them on a sheet of paper. Send labels and
    associated paper work back to distribution for credit (including affected motors changed at
    installation).


    Dealers may request a list of affected unit serial numbers from their distributors to inspect and rework
    their inventory.


    Only authorized dealers having an active Service Provider company ID in the Carrier warranty system
    will be allowed to submit claims. Claims submitted on cash accounts or house accounts will not be
    allowed.


    Field Action:
    For installed units and on a complaint basis, replace failed blower motors with factory approved
    motors outside of the March 5, 2012 and April 20, 2012 control date codes range. Return failed
    motors back as designated by the warranty system.


    Only authorized dealers having an active Service Provider company ID in the Carrier warranty system
    will be allowed to submit claims. Claims submitted on cash accounts or house accounts will not be
    allowed.


    Replacement Parts:
    The inventory of affected blower motors with date codes between March 5, 2012 and April 20, 2012
    have been reworked by Regal Beloit. These motors will have a black dot on the control section
    (photo page 3) and a green dot on or near the label of the box.

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    We replaced a couple in Comfortmaker units 2 weeks ago, both less than 2 years old. Heard they had several go out recently. Was at Rheem store and counter guy said he just did 8 wty x-13 motors last week on Rheems and several on Nordyne units. I think a lot of brands are having problems. Must of had a bad lot a couple years ago that they sold to everyone.
    Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different outcome!

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    last year i found a bad speed controller ICP made me replace the whole furnace

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