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  1. #1
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    I am looking for a direct engineering comparsion of the Aprilaire 5000 Vs. the Trane CleanEffects whole house filters. Particulary comparsion of particle reduction and maintainance efforts. As related to a complete airhandler (furnace) replacement. Both claim to be the best - when compared to a simple filter.
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    Stay away from the 5000. The clean effects has not been recalled for potentially causing a fire. Get an Aprilaire 2200 or 2400, whichever fits your new system. Most people do not properly maintain the electronic cells anyway, and then they lose efficiency. With a media filter you have no working parts, they are quiet and produce no ozone, and are still very efficient.
    Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.

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    The Clean Effects has NOT been recalled for potentially causing a fire. However APRIL AIR HAS BURNT DOWN HOUSES WITH THERE 5000 model. http://www.aprilaire.com/aprilairerecall.asp

    allso aprilair is made of plastic, the clean effects housing is steel the design of the clean effects is the safest of any filter i have seen as well as the most efficient. you will never have to buy filters again
    we have sold quite a few Accuclean filters made by american standard they allso make the trane clean effects as well as all trane products.

    are you getting a new system installed or just a filter ?
    cause the american standard products all fit together nicely & will perform .
    The accuclean / clean effects will not loose efficiency & is very easy to clean with no filters to buy.
    The Captain.

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    Pretty sad to slam Aprilaire this way. According to the page you posted, there were 6 reports of fires. Did it say houses were burned down???? I've dealt with update/recall situations from about every manufacturer. Aprilaire was far & away prepared to deal with this issue. We provided names of our customers, almost immediately the updated housing was sent to the customers. For those not wanting to change their own, Aprilaire reimbursed us very quickly for going out to do that. Sure wish the furnace makers would handle their problems this well.

    The 5000 works great, customers love them, they are reliable and easy to use. Even CR who actually tested air cleaners said it is the best. I'll be curious to see if all these new ones top them next year!

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    Originally posted by captainrat
    The Clean Effects has NOT been recalled for potentially causing a fire. However APRIL AIR HAS BURNT DOWN HOUSES WITH THERE 5000 model. [url]
    You're correct, but the Clean Effect had been recalled (perhaps a better description would be delaying the product to market) before it even hit the shelf due to other issues.

    All Trane did was buy the patent rights (that had been out there awhile by the way) where other people chose not to do so for various reasons.

    That's not to say the Clean Effect isn't a "good" cleaner, it's not the "cure all" that Trane/American Standard claims it to be.

    Compare apples to apples, and know who is doing the "testing" on the air cleaner and what those variables are when the testing is being done.

    My opinion only is that particularly with air cleaners, statistics "change" depending on who the manufacturer is presenting the statistics, which of course is presented to sell thier product.

    That being said, I happen to think that anything with the word "ionic" in it for air cleaning is most likely a piece of junk and your throwing your money away. However, when you see the sales and market for the "ionic" air cleaners, all the HVAC manufacturers are shooting for a piece of "that pie".

    There is only one manufacturer that I know of that other manufacturers (numerous in that particular market) cannot obtain or "re produce" that enhances the quality of thier product that no one can come close to copying, air cleaners is not that market.

    [Edited by bigsandy on 07-29-2006 at 09:58 AM]

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    Originally posted by BaldLoonie
    Pretty sad to slam Aprilaire this way. According to the page you posted, there were 6 reports of fires. Did it say houses were burned down???? I've dealt with update/recall situations from about every manufacturer. Aprilaire was far & away prepared to deal with this issue. We provided names of our customers, almost immediately the updated housing was sent to the customers. For those not wanting to change their own, Aprilaire reimbursed us very quickly for going out to do that. Sure wish the furnace makers would handle their problems this well.

    The 5000 works great, customers love them, they are reliable and easy to use. Even CR who actually tested air cleaners said it is the best. I'll be curious to see if all these new ones top them next year!
    He is right on word for word. I too had lots of Ap. 5000s out there and had replacement linings and labor reimbursment checks within days of providing my list. There are no cells to clean. Overall it's a great product and delivers as promised.

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    i have perfomed hundreds of sping and fall checks on systems with mostly 2200 and some 2400april air filters and the blower compartment is alway very clean i can not say the same about any other filter or air cleaner the are the best.

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    Don't take this as a slam on Trane, I have been a dealer for 18+ years - simply don't like their strong arm approach to promoting this product:

    Nice article, manufacturers getting into air filtration for the wrong reasons...consumers best interest not considered.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/14152659.htm

    Trane tries to sell this as their own revolutionary filtration product, it is not. In fact it is designed by a company that manufacturers commercial air cleaner devices, more specifically for oil and mist. Just because a product is marketed well, and 'independent lab test results' are published; doesn't mean it works.


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    Aprilaire redesigned their literature to go head to head with the Trane unit. I think Trane, like other manufacturers, is just looking to expand revenues by catching a larger percentage of consumer spending (i.e. customers are buying filters, so why don't we put one out there rather than have a Honeywell/AA/etc. cabinet attached to our furnace).

    Bryant/Carrier entered the generator market for this reason. Bryant/Carrier are promoting their "Pureair" unit as the indoor air life saver just like Trane. Aprilaire 5000 acheives the same results as the Trane box but isn't marketed as directly. Of course, none of these things are worth bunk if the system they are slammed into are of substandard design.

    My guess is that in 15 years Aprilaire will still be supporting their units whereas the Trane box will be "an innovative idea for which parts are no longer available."
    Eager to learn, willing to teach, reluctant to admit defeat.

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    Originally posted by not a filter expert
    Don't take this as a slam on Trane, I have been a dealer for 18+ years - simply don't like their strong arm approach to promoting this product:

    Nice article, manufacturers getting into air filtration for the wrong reasons...consumers best interest not considered.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/14152659.htm

    Trane tries to sell this as their own revolutionary filtration product, it is not. In fact it is designed by a company that manufacturers commercial air cleaner devices, more specifically for oil and mist. Just because a product is marketed well, and 'independent lab test results' are published; doesn't mean it works.

    What strong arm approach would that be? I don't see anything like what you are saying, and I am a Trane dealer as well.

    That article is nothing but opinion, there is no basis in factual evidence. Further, they seem to be talking about standalone units like the Ionic breeze.

    You are correct that Trane did not design the unit, in fact most major manufacturers wanted that product, Trane just won rights to it. And not forever, I believe it was a period of only a few years.

    People have been buying those Ionic breezes and other brands for years. It only makes sense that HVAC manufacturers should try to enter the market. What other appliance has the ability to filter the air for the entire house?

    There is nothing wrong with presenting factual evidence that these units may not live up to their claims. But I have seen nothing like this from you. In fact, you have replied to each and every thread about IAQ, with the same post.

    Lets see some facts not opinions.

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    You are right on my comments, however there are some credible products that you may want to look into:

    Honeywell has a number of products, as does Aprilaire. I would suggest something standalone with its own supply and return, independent from the HVAC system running 24/7. Honeywell F500, Lifebreath TFP, PureAir Systems, there are many, many others. 99.97 HEPA Quality air, to no one's surprise - Trane is 99.98% efficient at a CADR scale - used ONLY for room air conditioners.

    Where are you a Trane Dealer? All the big rebates that Trane offers in my area tie into the Air Cleaner being installed.


    Originally posted by Christheheatingdude
    Originally posted by not a filter expert
    Don't take this as a slam on Trane, I have been a dealer for 18+ years - simply don't like their strong arm approach to promoting this product:

    Nice article, manufacturers getting into air filtration for the wrong reasons...consumers best interest not considered.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/14152659.htm

    Trane tries to sell this as their own revolutionary filtration product, it is not. In fact it is designed by a company that manufacturers commercial air cleaner devices, more specifically for oil and mist. Just because a product is marketed well, and 'independent lab test results' are published; doesn't mean it works.

    What strong arm approach would that be? I don't see anything like what you are saying, and I am a Trane dealer as well.

    That article is nothing but opinion, there is no basis in factual evidence. Further, they seem to be talking about standalone units like the Ionic breeze.

    You are correct that Trane did not design the unit, in fact most major manufacturers wanted that product, Trane just won rights to it. And not forever, I believe it was a period of only a few years.

    People have been buying those Ionic breezes and other brands for years. It only makes sense that HVAC manufacturers should try to enter the market. What other appliance has the ability to filter the air for the entire house?

    There is nothing wrong with presenting factual evidence that these units may not live up to their claims. But I have seen nothing like this from you. In fact, you have replied to each and every thread about IAQ, with the same post.

    Lets see some facts not opinions.

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    Well I can post factual evidence, I do not have the Clean Effects but I do have the earlier Trane EAC. I can without hesitation state that my house has less dust then when it had the standard high density filter. My wife loves it since she does not have to dust as often. Cleaning the EAC every 60 days of use ( according to the run time on the thermo) and cleaning the prefilter every 30 days is not a major chore! The blower cage seems to not have much of a dust deposit. There is no smell of ozone in the house. There are multiple adjustments for ozone. Cleaning the plates is easy, spray bottle of greased lightning, spray all the plates, let it sit for a few, rinse it off with a hose, let it dry in the sun. While doing this I use a regular filter in place of the pre filter until the EAC is totally dry.
    Consumer reports rated the Honeywell and Trane EAC to be the most effecient, with little airflow resistance, and better cleaned air.
    It works!
    The Clean Effects is supposed to be even better.

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    So far I like the Carrier Air Purifier,captures and "kills" the nasty stuff(so no one is exposed),no cleaning ,just a pleated cartridge to replace.

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