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06-24-2012, 07:32 PM #14Regular Guest
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06-24-2012, 08:04 PM #15
06-24-2012, 08:11 PM #16
I once interviewed at a company that wanted me to maintain/repair the work truck. Needless to say I kindly laughed in his face And said I'm good ill stay where I'm at
06-24-2012, 08:13 PM #17
About not supplying ladders. The poster said he compensates fairly for all the tools. How much tool allowance are you providing it must be pretty substantial to have guys buying ladders and such
06-24-2012, 08:45 PM #18
06-24-2012, 09:18 PM #19
I negotiate every job I get....daily and I never whine to my boss, the customer, about having to buy materials for the job because I agreed upfront to do the job under the negotiated terms.
Since none of you know what I am willing to pay for the use of your tools, including your ladder, how then can you say anything about the agreed upon terms?
06-24-2012, 09:22 PM #20
Some people look at their boss as if he's their daddy. I have enough kids, so those who don't want to take responsibility and ownership of their tools will probably do better working for someone else.
06-24-2012, 09:29 PM #21
06-24-2012, 09:34 PM #22
06-24-2012, 09:52 PM #23
well cool in cayman if your compensating your guys properly than this may not be terrible. thats why i asked what the amount was. i saw in another post you run a pretty successful buisness so your guys must be at least fairly happy with your setup.
I think we should take a step back before being so harsh. cool in cayman could have an incredible program for techs. For all we know he is paying them thousands a year for tool replacement or maybe he cheaps out on them.
06-24-2012, 10:08 PM #24
There are some bigger questions here that one should look in the mirror to answer first....
#1 What self-respecting "tradesman/craftsman" would not own his own tools to begin with? Doesn't matter if you're union or not. Would a carpenter not own the tools of his trade? If you work at a shop that supplies EVERYTHING, and you "sell your own tools"....you're pretty much married to your current job, aren't you?
#2 What constitutes "tools" needed for the job? Is that a decision for an individual employee, or an employer? I read lots of guys here rambling on about how many thousands of dollars worth of tools they "need" to do their jobs.....THAT question needs to be resolved first.
I've had guys supply their own ladders, recovery machines, vacuum pumps, and torches.....I've had other guys that had nothing.
It all depends on the employee, and the job that they are hired to do.
Personally, I'd just as soon supply the ladders, recovery machines, and vacuum pumps.....that way, if/when they leave, I'm not left with a gutted service truck to restock....Something that I had to deal with recently....had a guy leave, and there was nothing left in the van except parts and refrigerant.
Even basic tools can be a touchy subject. I've dealt with this not only as an HVAC company owner, but as a plant manager in a manufacturing facility.
Sometimes, leaving guys to supply their own tools can bite you in the arse.....a self-respecting guy will typically bring his own tools, and they will be QUALITY tools....while others will bring crap that will wind up getting them injured on the job, and leaving you with a workers' comp claim.
I typically do not quibble over tools.....If a guy brings his own stuff, he's welcome to use it....but if a newbie comes with nothing, I'm not adverse to buying everything......that way, I'm the one who chooses the quantity and quality of tools provided.
Bottom line.....there is no "standard" answer....it depend on the employer and the employee.....and what they individually agree to.Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....
06-24-2012, 10:15 PM #25
It's more about the management than it is about the money. Managing tools becomes a full time job for someone when you have a lot of trucks on the road. This way, the guys manage their own tools and use the extra money as they see fit. It they want to buy their tools off of craigslist and pocket the rest of the money..not my business so long as they have the proper tools for the job.
It also prevents me from going to the dark side with a guy that's gone through 3 vacuum pumps 4 sets of guages and 27 six way screwdrivers.
We do actually buy some tools....like 40' ladders. But only because they are so rarely used in our business and they are pretty easy to keep track of.
06-24-2012, 10:26 PM #26
This is a never ending battle techs want employers to spend more and employers want to spend less. My only expectation of employers is that if my 500 meter goes poor. One day and not from neglect they should fix it period. But ig I break my screwdriver using at as a chisel it hammer than I will walk my happy *** to supply house and get a new one.