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    Finally some reality in the golbal warming and climate change world

    Seems one of the most ardent supporters of the movement, says he was WRONG!

    http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/22/green-drivel

    Ya know... it takes a bigger man to admit they were wrong... than to argue until they are fade a fool.
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    Its the largest scam on the human race in history. And we gave up R12 and R22 for their nonsense.

    Problem is he's still responsible for a lot of the nutjobs out thsir that bought his predictions hook line and sinker.

    In my view what hes done is criminal and his last minute position change doesnt absolve him of responsibillity.

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    Lovelock still believes anthropogenic global warming is occurring and that mankind must lower its greenhouse gas emissions, but says it’s now clear the doomsday predictions, including his own (and Al Gore’s) were incorrect.
    So he still believes in global warming but the results are not as drastic as he previously thought. From Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Lovelock

    As phytoplankton and forests are the main ways in which Gaia draws down greenhouse gases, particularly carbon dioxide, taking it out of the atmosphere, the elimination of this environmental buffering will see, according to Lovelock, most of the earth becoming uninhabitable for humans and other life-forms by the middle of this century, with a massive extension of tropical deserts.
    Not many scientists agree with this view of human extinction, good to see him come around.

    In his most recent book, "The Vanishing Face of Gaia",[22] he rejects scientific modelling that disagrees with the scientific findings that sea levels are rising faster, and Arctic ice is melting faster, than the models predict and he suggests that we may already be beyond the tipping point of terrestrial climate into a permanently hot state. Given these conditions, Lovelock expects human civilization will be hard pressed to survive.
    So he was ignoring scientific evidence that did not match his views and now he may be putting his faith back into the scientific process. We can all applaud him on his conversion.

    Now what is your point, you seem to be implying that he is rejecting the theory of carbon dioxide causing global warming (which is not the case) and that there is no global warming? If this is the case maybe you should reread the article.
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    My point is: The 'guru' which led the troops, said he was WRONG. Changes the whole picture IMO.

    Except for the intellectual crowd who has their mind made up about what is right and wrong... yet is not scientific enough to accept something different than what they want to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Its the largest scam on the human race in history. And we gave up R12 and R22 for their nonsense.

    Problem is he's still responsible for a lot of the nutjobs out thsir that bought his predictions hook line and sinker.

    In my view what hes done is criminal and his last minute position change doesnt absolve him of responsibillity.
    You seem to be misinformed. Global warming has nothing to do with getting rid of those refrigerants. That is a separate problem, which is ozone depletion. That is where the refrigerant molecules break up the ozone in the upper atmosphere. The ozone layer is important to shield us from the ultraviolet light.



    So you are saying there is no global warming? And what do you base this view on seeing you understand the theory so well (well other than the ozone thing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    My point is: The 'guru' which led the troops, said he was WRONG. Changes the whole picture IMO.

    Except for the intellectual crowd who has their mind made up about what is right and wrong... yet is not scientific enough to accept something different than what they want to believe.
    Does not change the whole picture. It only changes what extent 'he' thought would happen. He still says that it is happening and that we should mitigate what we are doing to the planet. You do not get that from the article?
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    I never said the world was not warming and cooling... what I said and continue to say is:

    It is NOT because of mankind. It is a cycle bigger than mankind that happened before mankind was here, is happening now, and will happen a thousand years from now.

    Some folks just think they are SOOO important, they have to control everything. IMO these folks are just too arrogant to understand there are forces and cycles that are bigger than mankind... better to live with them than to think we have to control them.

    The pity is really bright minds which are totally suckered by the hype of fear associated with the movement... The hype/fear is the reason I say it is more political than a real threat.

    Remember; polecats are about power (for themselves); and they will use FEAR to get it. More than enough history to prove polecats lie to create fear, so they can control.

    IMO a wise person sorts out fact from fiction based on who gains and looses; rather than so called science.

    We might want to also remember that science, just like statistics, can be spun and twisted to say whatever the author wants it to say. So in reality, there is NO real fact in science.

    Sorry Printer... but making a 'god' of science is kinda like p*ssing into the wind... it is ONLY A MATTER OF TIME before one gets peed on by themselves...

    Now I will , get a few , and watch the fun I have created...
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    So you are saying that the extra CO2 in the atmosphere is not absorbing more of the sun's energy (the same theory allows us to use absorption spectroscopy to determine the composition of materials) and that the Earth is going through a natural cycle (not explaining what is driving it).

    Well since there is no real fact in science maybe we should stop all the scientists and instead chant to our favorite god and wait for what may come our way to fall from the sky.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeeIuC77NVM
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    Coupla cold ones;

    Catching up on some recorded TV shows (been working long hours);

    And enjoying some fun at ARP.

    Does it get better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post


    Coupla cold ones;

    Catching up on some recorded TV shows (been working long hours);

    And enjoying some fun at ARP.

    Does it get better?
    Peanuts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    You seem to be misinformed. Global warming has nothing to do with getting rid of those refrigerants. That is a separate problem, which is ozone depletion. That is where the refrigerant molecules break up the ozone in the upper atmosphere. The ozone layer is important to shield us from the ultraviolet light.



    So you are saying there is no global warming? And what do you base this view on seeing you understand the theory so well (well other than the ozone thing).
    R22 was phased out beacuse of the fears that a hole in the ozone layer was going to cause global cooling....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Harper View Post
    R22 was phased out beacuse of the fears that a hole in the ozone layer was going to cause global cooling....
    R22 is a global warming gas. It also attacks ozone in the upper atmosphere with the ozone hole being a result. The ozone acts as a blanket and without it more radiation from the Earth escapes to space causing the antarctic to be cooler.
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    R22 is a greenhouse gas and contributes to ozone depletion. However the ozone layer is not a blanket to keep radiation in. It keeps UV radiation out, thus saving us from skin cancer.
    Soon enough r410a and 134 will be phased out. The new gas is called HFO-1234yf
    They're already using it in vehicle AC in Europe

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