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    Working in the golden state

    all these left-wing political ideas are a big scam, and you can look at California for proof.

    35 years ago , in Los Angeles, cops were complaining because they started at 25k while plumbers, union or not, were making 50k+
    the post office started at 10 to 12 and no one wanted to work there.
    the average company had to decide if they were going to keep you within 3 months, because there was some kind of regulation about firing people, where companies were reluctant to do so.

    then ,California opened the doors to illegals and all the left-wing crazy politics.

    California was a "Right to work" state but changed the name because illegals were suing the sate ,claiming they had a right to work.
    now, California is an "At will" state, which is worse.

    people talk about how "Right to work" and "At will" have an effect on unions, but the average company has the ability to fire people when ever they want, without reason.

    you'll notice that California is run by Democrats and they WANT the "At will" AKA "Right to work" policy.

    most of the work has been given to illegals, and it's not uncommon to see plumbers and other "craftsmen" working for minimum wage. craftsmanship quality has taken a massive drop.
    most of the regular unions kept raising their wages benefits until companies were forced to move over-seas.

    now, most of the union jobs are government related, which falls in line with Socialist policy that only people involved with the government should be making money.

    cops start at 60k and no longer eat doughnuts, every day is Sizzler for them.
    teachers start at around the same pay to sit in the class with their feet up, regurgitating Socialist politics.
    we had a big outcry recently because lifeguards were getting paid 150k to sit on the beach.

    the people who do all the work are at minimum wage.
    and getting into a Socialist union job is a gift from Satan himself, a lot of the applications say on it "who do you know?", like the one i had when i applied for HVAC/plumbing union some years back.

    we went for a while with these government unions making big money, but now the state is broke and union jobs no longer pay what their older employees made.
    the city bus department dropped their wages, "next tier" drivers don't have the wages or the benefits the people they work with do.
    people get hired into unions then get dropped 6 months later.


    why should people who struggle at 20k pay for somone else to live at 80k?

    it's game over for this BS.

    no one can blame the Republicans here.
    people in my area don't even call themselves "Republicans", they are liberals who run for which ever is available.

    the only way people can fix this is to bring back a serious nationalist attitude

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    You have very convoluted logic, a right to work state is the very thing democrats do not want because it is anti union.

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    Just my

    MOVE! California is one of the most expensive living standards in the country... with rampant run-away govt. There are lots of places where the cost of living is a fraction of what it is in California... and working conditions are better.

    Not meaning to be blunt... however: The choice is yours... Make the tuff decisions to make your life better... or get used to the place you are.

    I remember having a conversation with someone a few weeks ago: We talked about the difference between turkeys and eagles. Well, it is really simple: Both can fly... however:
    The turkeys are more interested in the safety of the barnyard, while
    The eagles are fearless and will soar beyond that safety, while MAKING THEIR OWN LIFE work (without assistance).

    IMO each of us has a choice... and each of us will live by the results of those choices... And also IMO: the right choice is not always the easiest one.
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    You have very convoluted logic, a right to work state is the very thing democrats do not want because it is anti union.

    if the Democrats don't want it, why is California, which is dominated by Democrats, an "At will" state, which is the same thing as "Right to work"?

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    RED ALERT ISSUE

    everyone agrees California is run by Democrats.
    there is no one here to blame but them.

    the fate of the job market is here in California, right now, and it's coming to you.

    California used to have good jobs for the average worker.
    the rich business owners got together and thought of ways to drop their employee expenses as low as possible.
    they simply passed a law that said they can pay what ever they want, and fire people when ever they want, how did they do it?

    the problem with California and the rest of the country is not the free market, which the Socialists call "Capitalist" , the problem is the Socialists who took over the businesses.

    the Socialist business owner says "well..you were making 75k per year, but since this is a Capitalist nation, i don't have to pay you that, i'm going to pay you minimum wage ...aren't you glad the Socialists passed minimum wage laws?"

    the politicians gave you two death options,
    1) you continue to support the unions, which causes debt, ever increasing taxes, and jobs moving over-seas because of expenses.
    or
    2) you support "Right to work" , which allows business owners to do what ever the fk they want, AKA not pay you.


    our 100% corrupt media only brings up the issue of "Right to work" when talking about unions, but the law has a terrible effect on everyone, ...which the media does not talk about.
    why? because the media wants you to support "Right to work"

    Republicans are completely ignorant about this issue.

    the Democrats say "look! the Republicans support Right to Work, which means you have no working rights"
    but this whole thing was created by Democrats, which is the reason Democrat controlled California is an "At will" work state, which is the same thing as "Right to work"

    California simply changed the name from "Right to work" to "At will", which is the same thing.
    the media NEVER mentions "At will"
    people get on TV and say "Republican states are Right to Work", the corrupt media does not clarify.



    IT'S UP TO YOU TO WAKE UP AND EDUCATE YOURSELF.

    unions are wrong, "Right to work" "At will" is worse.
    stop the politicians from giving you options where you can't win.
    i no longer vote for any politician that gives me no option to win.

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    More extreme nationalistic attitudes on immigration like they have in other successful civilized nations are what is needed here. If the US as it is today is to succeed in the future as a society, it must become more hermetic and isolationist. The far-left multiculturalist agenda that makes excuses for the people in our society that have no regard for law and decency, and do nothing but destroy what generations before them built must go.
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    if the Democrats don't want it, why is California, which is dominated by Democrats, an "At will" state, which is the same thing as "Right to work"?
    A right to work state basically means that a union cannot lock up a job and prevent open shops from working on the jobsite, at will means that a persons employment can be terminated without cause at will by either party.

    I cannot explain why a f****** state like California has these laws but I would not live in a state that did not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    More extreme nationalistic attitudes on immigration like they have in other successful civilized nations are what is needed here. If the US as it is today is to succeed in the future as a society, it must become more hermetic and isolationist. The far-left multiculturalist agenda that makes excuses for the people in our society that have no regard for law and decency, and do nothing but destroy what generations before them built must go.
    You and I do not agree on much, however we do agree on this... with the exception of isolationism.

    The USA is the largest economy in the world, our currency is the reserve currency of the world, our investment markets run the world of finance, we are by default the world's police, and a host of other things. And our VERY HIGH lifestyle depends on us being #1 in these and many more areas.

    No, we do not have the option of becoming isolationists... this is the reason Ron Paul is not electable... he does not understand this.
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    In all reality you do not have California as a state. California was slowly invaded by a group of 3rd world nations, but instead of an invasion with guns it was just one person at a time one job at a time and one vote illegal or not at a time.

    The democratic party learned early that it was easy to sell off a part of America for a vote here or there. Now we have Mexican politicians masquerading as city council members with one foot in America and one foot in Mexico. The latest city to be under investigation is a city names Cutary, Last year it was the city of Bell.There are people sitting on city councils that barley or never speak english .The corruption is now no different then in Mexican politics. Why should it be different. To make things worse it was not like the best and the brightest people of theses countries came in to be my neighbors, it was the poor the bottom of the barrel types so here we sit

    If you want to see where Democratic policies will take you just look at the liberal free thinkers of the nation of California.

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    A right to work state basically means that a union cannot lock up a job and prevent open shops from working on the jobsite, at will means that a persons employment can be terminated without cause at will by either party.

    I cannot explain why a f****** state like California has these laws but I would not live in a state that did not.


    the reason it doesn't make sense is because people are being duped.

    when they pass "Right to work" or "At will", what percent of the workers are union? 5%? 10%?
    what percent are non-union? 90% 95%

    what's the point of talking about these laws from the union point of view?


    "At will" says i have the right to walk away from any job.
    golly gee, thanks, i already have that right under the Constitution and my nature of being a complete a$$hole.

    the only party that wins an advantage is the employer who can fire people for the color shirt they wore that day.

    forget about all the propaganda, this is the way the left-wing wants to run their business. ...hence the reason California adopts these laws.



    my first HVAC employer made me sign a contract. i got schooling for a commitment of one year of employment. both things i wanted.
    when my 60 hour per week paycheck dropped below minimum wage i told them they better find a solution or i'm gone.
    they told me i can't quit because i signed a contract.
    i told them , "we both know that contract doesn't mean jack, if you don't pay me more money i'm out of here"
    they don't have legal recourse, ...and never did


    the only party that wins in "Right to Work" and "At will" is the employer who wants to pay nothing, and fire everyone after their temp work

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    I thought Arnold was going to make things better in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC5096 View Post
    I thought Arnold was going to make things better in California.
    Arnold would have if he did not hit a wall of liberal resistance.

    IMO ALL the conservatives should LEAVE California, and let it sink into a 3rd world mess where it is not safe to even live INSIDE your house. Then the truth about liberalism would be irrefutable.

    Only problem is... it would take a military invasion with marshall law to redeem California afterwards... which would never happen unless the GOP had a veto-proof lock on the Fed govt.
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    Texas is a right to work state and the skilled trade vocations are still intact with experienced techs making good money in a State with a low cost of living.

    California is a good place for the very rich or the very poor and people that are employed by the government.

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