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    Well as it turns out, my problem evaporated. I guess he wasnt going to be my perminent helper after all. I live too far from him to make it work, so it's up to me to find a helper for 10-11 bucks an hour, lol, wish me luck.

    I aprieciate all the replys, as it turns out, I did come to the conclution that I was using poor judgment, but that is nothing new for me. I don't have training in "training" anyone. I did work as a suprovisor for three years and failed misserably at it. I have too many personality flaws to be a good partner or trainer for anyone. I might be a good helper in the boobie hatch though. Thanks again, and this is why I rely on you guys,..lol

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    I did say not to do it some where else where you posted this as everyy one has said . Good luck John
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    Originally posted by John(Chicago)
    I don't have training in "training" anyone.
    just be yourself and show them what you know.

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    Quite honestly, when i first got out of school and if you would ask that from me when my goal was to learn and move on to a tech as i am now, i would and did quit my helper position for a tech position. I worked hard as a helper, running ducts, crawling in crawl space to run linesets, you call it i did it. There were some installers that i worked with which were in the same company that i liked to work with and others i would not and just dragged my day. I wanted to help the technical stuff and handling the refrigerants as i had my Universal. Put it this way one installer had a blown tire and filled it with R-22 and not too much later after that i quit that job.

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    Originally posted by lalo56
    Put it this way one installer had a blown tire and filled it with R-22
    that's not an installer, that's a tech.

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    3) Do not disappear off a job site without letting me know first hand.
    4) Do not give false information over the radio what so ever. 5) Do not sleep in the van while on the clock.
    7) Do not ask me to buy smokes unless I have no less than 8 bucks in hand.
    9) Do not have any materials in the van that could jeopardize my or the companies integrity (pornography)
    10) Do not evade work or work after regular time unless he has ride from the job site or his own vehicle.

    These were my favorite, though! Porn, LOL!
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    A lesson in sales wouldn't hurt.

    Scrap the letter. Do you like being put on the defensive? Not likely...

    Dear old dad wants to hear assertive and positive things from guys like you and I. Like..

    1. "This is cool having a helper... Give us some more calls to make up for our divided time." No please or thank you, you are doing him a favour, right?

    2. "Your kids got a lot of stuff to learn. I sure hope I can give him some help there." Allows the boss to assert himself to whether he made the right choice in you. (Remember the 2 bosses rules? They apply to his thinking as well)

    The boss wants you to be on his side in all this... You don't wanna write letter, e-mails or faxes... If he trusts you enough to get his adopted son started, you already have a face to face "talk to me" unwritten agreement. What you need is an attitude that you really want to help this guy and bring yourself closer to your bosses level with understanding glances and positive assertiveness. Everything you tell your boss about his kid should be constued as a comedic anecdote by him. He can figure out the rest. (Hah! We had the whole charge in the unit and somebody, who will remain nameless, got a little premature about packing up the gear. Hah, should have seen the billows of gas coming out!) Use the words WE and us alot. This tells the boss you have already accepted the kid into your domain. VERY IMPORTANT!!!

    So the kid has a problem: Set the rules on your terms WITH THE KID. If he refuses to bide by them, you'll figure out a way to earn a little respect from the kid, I'm sure You said the kid's father was a level guy, which is the same as saying he's already on your side too, but needs some help weining his kids from the easy life of childhood. No father wants his kids to be dependants for the rest of their lives. If the kid has a problem with YOUR RULES, let HIM go back to dad... As a father, myself, if one of my kids came to me complaining he wasn't allowed to do any of those things this kid does, I'd laugh my kid off and tell him to do what he's told by you... or walk away, but don't bother going home to his mother. The 2 biggest thing ALL teens need to learn in life... 1. Respect and 2. They are not as smart as they think they are. Some just take longer to learn this stuff than others.

    With all this stuff, the boss will already be in your back pocket. After all, he'll owe you one. It may not come back in monitary form, but it will come back if you look for it.
    Good Karma.

    Peerage has certain advantages... Trust the kid's father... And smile alot. You've got a two legged carry-all.

    Stick with it. Together we'll get through this.

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    Yesterday, two senior techs and I were BSing about helpers.

    Seems they all like to sleep in the van while driving to and from the job. Suggestion 1. Step on the brakes and scream to the top of your lungs like you are going to crash. Suggestion 2. My son was sleeping with his head out of the passenger side window. George turned on the windsheild washers. Got him good.

    But this is why I like working with kids. Driving down the road with 17 yo Patrick riding shot gun. I start singing the song "Tom Dooley" When I get to the part "poor boy you're going to die" he started laughing his head off. He said,"were do you get these songs from?" Apparently he never heard it before.

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    For gods sake are all you guys dumb. "Make the helper drive so you can sleep" thats what I did and if he drove badly I threatened to fart so he did not hell I read the news paper did paper work etc oggled the chicks whild the chump did the driving
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    If I were the boss I would want you to come to me with the issues. You have to give him a chance to show you how you he will handle this situation with his son. Even if his son will not be your permanent helper, you still owe it to him to tell him what you found out and more importantly about the issue that cost you an extra 2 1/2 hours to fix, when the kid took it upon himself to install the compressor. No one will ever learn anything if you fail to bring the issues to light. In the end it would be more of a disservice to you and everyone else. Trust your instincts.

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    Sounds like a teachable kid....I have had helpers I would not trust to push a broom!lol
    Take your time & do it right!

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