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    Hmm

    I got this 17 YO punk kid who is gonna be my helper from now on, and by the way, he is my bosses kid to boot. I have worked with him for a week now and got him to open up and show his true attitude and all that, he thinks I'm his buddy. Anyway, I got to set the ground rules or he's gonna have a ancident. I have drafted up a letter to send to his dad (my boss). He seems very reasonable and even tempered guy, and I don't think his son has anything over him so I hope this letter will go well, but I'd like some feed back first so that I am not just being JohnnyB.


    Dear Kevin.

    After working with for the short time that I have, I have some concerns that I feel I must voice to you. The time allowed for the jobs to be completed are based on one tech but divided by him and the helper, correct? If this is so, than I see a problem with this logic in that the time is based on one tech that is certified and that time is shortened by the other “helper” being accounted for. If it is to be far the time that it takes for the helper to haul the equipment to the roof (2-3 hours) should be all the time accounted for two people and the rest should be given to the certified tech for the job. With that being said, it seems to me that the only way to make this work is for the helper to drive separately from the tech or some other time concessions to be made.

    Furthermore I have experienced some things that concern me with teaming us up as tech and helper. I feel there needs to be some limits set and ground rules and I wanted to run them by you first. So far that I have been working with Andrew there has been some things done that concern me for our future association together. Here are my examples; I want to keep him working while I am working but it’s hard to do because I know how things must be done and he doesn’t. One time already he has installed a compressor on the mountings sideways and when the tubing didn’t line up he tried to pull it over causing the tube to crack at the tube sheet on the condenser and adding 2-3 hours to the job at hand. I have also had him loose the weighed in charge by loosening the hoses before using the system compressor to take in the refrigerant. I have experienced him to disappear for long periods of time with out my knowing where he is during jobs causing some frustration on my part. Now with this being said I want you to know that I see this as NOT malicious in intent but more lack of experience and knowledge. To solve this I must set some ground rules and limits on our interactions together as follows; 1) do not touch any valve or hose containing refrigerant with out my being in close proximity until he has obtained his own EPA card. 2) Do not go any further than instructed by me on any task given to him. 3) Do not disappear off a job site without letting me know first hand. 4) Do not give false information over the radio what so ever. 5) Do not sleep in the van while on the clock. 6) Do not smoke in the van, the van that I am responsible for. 7) Do not ask me to buy smokes unless I have no less than 8 bucks in hand. Do not use the radio/cell phone for personal calls unless it’s a dire emergency. 9) Do not have any materials in the van that could jeopardize my or the companies integrity (pornography) 10) Do not evade work or work after regular time unless he has ride from the job site or his own vehicle.

    In return for this I will as my part, give him the knowledge and training I posses to insure him a career in this industry if he should so choose. I will provide whatever training materials I have; I will test his knowledge and provide him with SAFE on the job experience to reinforce his overall experience. I will explain everything I do to the best of my ability so as to give him the first hand problem solving ability needed in this trade. I will not ask him to do anything that I would not do or have done. I will not ask him to do anything that he doesn’t WANT to do.

    I feel these requests are not unreasonable and quite fair, don’t you? If you feel any of these are please discuss them with me so we can come to some agreement. Once we have this agreement I feel YOU should be the one to present them to Andrew as his employer with both our acknowledgement so there is no ambiguities about it. I want everything done on the job in my presents with him to be “above board” because I know he has an audience with you that I don’t. I hope you don’t take this the wrong way I only want to maintain a good relationship with everyone here because I do really like this company and want to become a long lasting employee.

    Yours truly John

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    Blood is thicker than water........
    If everything was always done "by the book"....the book would never change.

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    Originally posted by smokin68
    Blood is thicker than water........
    So true.
    You have to watch it, as if he gets hurt, is the boss going to blame you, because he is his son? Is this guy trustworthy, meaning if he screws up something, will he blame you, and will his Dad believe him or you?
    I have worked for shops, where the owner has brought there fresh out of school son in, or brought a daughter in the office.
    It did not work.
    But, then again, I hear on here how some have done it and it worked.....
    As for the letter, IMO, sounds OK to me, but, you know the guy, how would he take it, or would it be better to just talk to him face to face?

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    You are screwed

    Look for a new job quickly!!

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    Tell him you find his son very attractive

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    BAD MOVE !!

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    If I were you, I'd forget that whole letter unless your on your way out. Most of it is just a big list of tattle telling. Why not just lay it out for the kid instead of bringing the dad into all of it? Also, the dads not so nieve that he doesnt know how the kids work ethic already is. I wouldnt try to explain how long jobs are taking unless your criticized for taking too long.
    Life is like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today might burn your ass tomorrow.

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    Dear Kevin

    Your son has such a cute ass.

    Signed

    Johnny Rod





    We won't be on your truck anymore. End of that problem.

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    hummmm...... I dont think I would give him that letter. I would talk to him face to face and just mention a few things that you question about training his son. writting all you have might just piss him off.

    I wouldnt have a problem with an employee questioning things that were done by a relation of mine. Your letter looks like an ultimatum......... I dont like ultimatums so you had better be ready to back it up.


    Im not saying keep your mouth shut but I think you better take it really slow and just bring up some little things such as him disapering...... tell him the son disapers a lot and it scares the heck out of you that you have lost his son or something has happened to him. Tell him about a few things he may have done that may have gotten him killed and that your worried he might do something again if he doesnt do as he is told. Just dont hit him with a lot. Feed a little here and there, that way he can slowly make changes.

    Its his son and if the son thinks your the enemy.........your pretty much history anyway once he starts telling his mom and dad stories lol.

    Your in a funny situation so you better just watch what you do if you like working there. Something pretty minor can turn into something pretty major if you make it that.

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    Unless, of course, Daddy doesn't care & asks for the action to be taped!
    WHY?

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    The boss has obviously trusted you to take his kid in tow and teach him the ropes. Your letter mostly says you can't handle it. Get in the kids as$ if he's screwing up, and remember when he's your boss he'll respect you for it.

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    Originally posted by smokin68
    Blood is thicker than water........
    In a nutshell.

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    Ditto to what every one else says, dont send the letter unless your ready to bail, how many companys do you know of where the son ran dear old dads company into the ground? And to make matters worse, every body sat around waiting for dear old dad to wake up and stop junior but never did.
    If you dont stand behind our troops, please feel free...........to stand in front of them.

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