Right or wrong ,I think they believe the Trane is far superior,to the Goodman.
Parts stocking support varies with any brand ,depending on where you are located,so it could be good or bad in your area.
I am replacing my central air conditioner. One company has given me an estimate on a Goodman CSC14 14 SEER unit. The other companies I have talked to are very much against the Goodman air conditioner. They are implying that it is a builders model quality. Although Goodman may make builders models, I can't imagine that all of their models are builders quality. The other companies also say it is hard to get parts for Goodman. The other companies are all recommeding Trane XL14i. Is this really a better unit than the Goodman, or are they just recommeding it because that's what they have in stock?
Right or wrong ,I think they believe the Trane is far superior,to the Goodman.
Parts stocking support varies with any brand ,depending on where you are located,so it could be good or bad in your area.
Because they sell equipment to unlicensed hacks and slum lords.
Every brand but Goodman sells strictly to the trade. Goodman anybody can buy off the internet etc., including buying replacement parts. Its a question of profit as well as protection of the craft, plus a few years back Goodman had some quality issues in the cheapo lines.
GSC14 I would can a good value system.
dangler, that isn't exactly so. While Goodman is likely the most prevalent in selling to the public and over the net, you can buy about anything you want these days.
In our area, A Goodman supplier was selling to an outfit that sold to the public. The Janitrol people (back when they had the 2 names) weren't happy and suddenly the others were told to stop. This outfit now is buying Payne from our Carrier distributor and Carrier does'nt seem to care. I know our Bryant distributor is very unhappy about it.
Goodman stuff used to be pretty poorly built and no support. Now they are doing some QC and have top notch guys like our beloved Roboteq out there to support the stuff. So for the money, it is worth considering. It is lower end and competes with the other basic units. Carrier/Bryant RNC, Rheem's builder units, ICP, York builder etc. If you want a fancier unit, the Amana deluxe units have 100% scroll, compressor cover, 2 speed fan motor, sound deadening top, high & low pressure switches, Copeland ComfortAlert diagnostics module, longer warranties... Most of those features you don't find in a Choo Choo
I'd say there is some split in the can be purchased, and easily purchased. Sure all the builder lines are available to "builders", but if I type 14 seer 3 ton into most any search engine I will get hits on places selling Goodman that openly show prices, and that as we have seen is often the bone of contention.
Many fine installers use Goodman, but it also is clearly a hack magnet, so I might have a Goodman system installed, but I would not start out looking at Goodman dealers unless I knew of somebody specfic that was good.
My only current beaf with Goodman, other than the mass of internet sales, is that they don't publish performance data for the ACCA design conditions for my area.
In the DFW area of Texas our design conditions are for a 75º indoor temp with a 100º outdoor temp.
I have only been able to find, or been shown performance data for a 95º outdoor temp and 80º indoor temp for Goodman equipment.
I don't like having to guess about if a particular equipment matchup has the capacity I need for a job.
I know the owner of my company will not sell Goodman until the reputation is cleaned up and the local distributors stop selling to hacks.
Goodman has a stigma about it in my area.
around here Goodman is the preferred line of installers who cannot "speak-a-d-English".
FILL OUT YOUR PROFILE!!
Change the title of this post to why is Goodman against contractors. I don't think contractors would have such a low opinion of Goodman if they would have entered the market with the intentions of selling to knowledgeable contractors instead of trying to sell to anyone that has cash. The equipment is much better now and is no longer the cheapest, but the fact remains that several contractors will not soon forget the past and tend to hold a grudge.
My beefs with Goodman include their condoning of internet sales (the biggest eBay pusher of Goodman is also a factory listed A+ dealer). My company put in literally THOUSANDS of GMP furnaces and nearly all have needed work. Is the quality better now? Possibly. The local Goodman distributors around here sell to anyone with cash.
Their parts used to come from the factory owned branch with no box, no instructions, etc. The guys sitting at the counter have ZERO technical knowledge and can only regurgitate the 800 number for Texas when you ask a question.
To be brief: It's cheap, anyone can buy it, and you'll need every ounce of the warranty it comes with.
"We always fix it right the second time".
All posts are strictly my opinions and not those of my employer. I cannot make statements on behalf of my employer.
All advice posted by me is for educational purposes only, HVAC repairs should only be conducted by trained & qualified people.
Have offered goodman to customers for 20 yrs. and still put it in new construction even 1 million $ homes. BUTTTT, for my money,Trane& American Standard.
remember, with electronics; when its brown,its cooking and when its black, its done!!!
I stoped in at the local Goodman Dealer today to pick up a part for a warranty call. I wish I had my camera because some hack bought some codensers and coils and was removing them from there boxes so he could stuff them into his STATION WAGON. His wife was helping and yes they couldnt speek da Eglish very well.
Only at Goodman do I see things like that.
In my experience Goodman units simply have more problems. Here is my idea of why.
If you go to your local Walmart you will see a computer for 249 bucks. WOW you say and the guy will tell you they use the same parts as every other manufacturer of computers. So is the public being ripped off by the other companies? NO.
Part manufacters (such as Copeland) have strict QC checks. The quality is checked many times as the parts are manufactured and inevitably some parts fail. They will still sell the operating parts for much less than the parts that pass the QC checks. That way companies such as E-Machine (and Goodman) can afford to make cheap models.
These things run at a certain risk going back to the computer analogy I have an e-machine that has been running without problems for 8 years but my friend bought one and has had problems with it since it came out of the box. There is no real parts warranty because the manufacturer of the parts dont give warranty on the stuff they sell that fail QC tests.
It's a crap shoot. You may buy a Goodman unit and never have any real problems but then again you may get one that never works right. It's a chance you take because in the HVAC department you literally get what you pay for.
I don't buy the last post. I think Goodman uses the same parts any other brand does.
They use the same brand but I would be willing to bet they dont use the same QC score parts as other companies. They are cheaply made and I wouldn't recommend anyone buying one unless you like to gamble.
Originally posted by cdn hvac
I stoped in at the local Goodman Dealer today to pick up a part for a warranty call. I wish I had my camera because some hack bought some codensers and coils and was removing them from there boxes so he could stuff them into his STATION WAGON. His wife was helping and yes they couldnt speek da Eglish very well.
Only at Goodman do I see things like that.
Classic. Pretty judgemental. Could be a great tech in a rag-mobile, while a CLOWN picks up the pretty new (other brand) from a "reputable" dealership in his new shiney white van with advertisement on the side.
Goodman is no better/worse than any brand. Everyone will have opinions, personally if it airconditions I can work on it, regardless of what's stamped on the side. Everything mechanical can break down. I've seen new Trane/Carriers with tons of probs....mostly INSTALL probs. Same with Goodman/other brands.
If everything was always done "by the book"....the book would never change.
I disagree that Goodman is just as good as any other brand. Like you said however everyone has their own opinion. However basing your opinion on the fact that you can fix anything isnt a good way to prove your point. Goodman units are used by builders because they are so much cheaper. Look at the cost for a comparison of quality unless you saying noone should ever install Trane, American Standard, Carrier or any of the other mid to high end units available. Come on man!
Goodman isn't cheap, just less expensive. Trane,Carrier, all brands have "builder's" grade models, you know this.Compare apples to apples. Are you saying a 13 seer "builder's line" Trane/Carrier or whatever is superior to a Goodman? Please explain. Our Carriers didn't even come stock with coil covers....Originally posted by seana
I disagree that Goodman is just as good as any other brand. Like you said however everyone has their own opinion. However basing your opinion on the fact that you can fix anything isnt a good way to prove your point. Goodman units are used by builders because they are so much cheaper. Look at the cost for a comparison of quality unless you saying noone should ever install Trane, American Standard, Carrier or any of the other mid to high end units available. Come on man!
If everything was always done "by the book"....the book would never change.
Hmm:
I started to type out a long reply to this, then I realized it is in an open forum.........
But, Goodman here is one of the hardest accounts to prove that you are legally licensed to buy from their distributor.