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06-19-2012, 05:48 AM #105"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them."
06-19-2012, 07:31 AM #106
Millions of people adjusted to communism under the threat of being put in prison or killed.
Communism never works in practice, that's why the regimes that practice communism must silence opposition. And when I say silence them, I mean kill them.
Criminals adjust to prison too.
06-19-2012, 07:52 AM #107
However it seems that you believe there is no moral difference between a regime who is fighting, dying and killing in order to reign supreme authority over it's population and an army fighting, dying and killing in order to preserve basic human freedom and dignity.
If you can make no moral distinction between the two, I shrug my shoulders and shake my head like I do all the time. We have no shortage of people in this country who think exactly the way you do.
Personally I find it sickening and it sounds like Glenn has you pegged pretty good. People like you don't deserve freedom. Perhaps you would do better in Vietnam or N. korea.
06-19-2012, 07:56 AM #108
To Barbar fighting a war in an attempt to preserve basic human freedoms is the moral equivelent to marching detractors off to a pit somewhere and executing them because they believe something other than what the regime believes.
Same thing, dontcha know.
06-19-2012, 08:03 AM #109
France was raping Vietnam of resources and Ho Chi didn't like it. When France got bogged down with fighting the Germans, Communist educated Ho Chi saw fit to try and take his country back from the exploits of the French frogs.
Then we got involved by some lies and deceit called The Gulf of Tonkin.
Then we lost 50,000 Americans fighting a useless war based on lies and deception.
People that have been Buddhists for generations pushed to become Catholic didn't sit well with many of the Vietminh. And watching their country being controlled by the French didn't sit well with them either.
Not that anyone should want Communism...but maybe this is better than being ruled by the French?
What would we do if Iran came on our land and started telling us what to think, building schools, taking our resources, and building rail systems to get those resources out of there as fast as possible?
We would fight!"If anybody can draw on the power, where do we put the meter?" - JP Morgan before pulling Tesla funding
06-19-2012, 08:34 AM #110
American leftists used Vietnam from every angle they could. Vietnam was one of the most successful American liberal campaign ever designed and orchestrated by the American left. As it turned out, the Vietnamese people who stayed in Vietnam did quite well under their Communist victors. It is very similar to Cuba. We only hear from those who were discontent with the changes to these countries and not from those who stayed and adapted to the new regimes.Government is a disease......masquerading as its own cure…Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV
06-19-2012, 08:50 AM #111
Joe McDonald of Country Joe and the Fish was there in the Navy, and his parody song about why we were in Vietnam is pretty much on target; http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...BCF3KKxc#t=22s
Remember, Glenn, this is another American soldier who fought in Vietnam who is a couple of years older then you.Government is a disease......masquerading as its own cure…Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV
06-19-2012, 09:00 AM #112
I am not defending Communism. I have had a brief but eye opening oportunity to see how people of Cuba live under Communism, and their lives are quite impressive. The point is that living under one type of regime over another is mostly a matter of how much one is willing to accept and adapt to the faction in which they live under. I'm not real happy about the way American Socialist minded leaders are taking our country. So far, I have adapted. Who knows, I may someday decide to not take it any more an rebel. I'd rather see younger folks carry that flag, but they seem to be drining the Socialist Kool-Aid more then not.Government is a disease......masquerading as its own cure…Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV
06-19-2012, 09:03 AM #113Government is a disease......masquerading as its own cure…Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV
06-19-2012, 09:17 AM #114
We were well entrenched in Vietnam by the time LBJ fabricated the Gulf of Tonkin attack on an American ship. LBJ did that to get us even more involved so his wealthy industrialist buddies could make even more money selling their war wares to the government.
Since we already had advisors in Vietnam while the French still owned that war, I have to believe that we had specific reasons for wanting to be more involved. The Catholic angle from JFK is one that is kept low key, but may have played more of a role in why we escalated our being involved in Vietnam after a Catholic becomes president;
Government is a disease......masquerading as its own cure…Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV
- How religious pamphlets and radio broadcasts convinced one million Catholics to leave North Vietnam and live under Catholic rule in the South, overwhelming the Buddhists.
- How brutal persecution of Vietnamese Buddhists led to rioting and suicides by fire in the streets.
- Why the reports of what was really happening, written by American military and civil advisers, failed to reach the U.S. President.
- Why the project backfired, and as U.S. soldiers continued to die, the Vatican made a secret deal with Ho Chi Minh.
06-19-2012, 09:37 AM #115
06-19-2012, 10:10 AM #116
06-19-2012, 10:39 AM #117Regular Guest
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I wonder of the people that voted “not guilty” how many actually believe Zimmerman’s story?