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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Tech Rob, there is no way that anybody in their right mind could justify homosexuality and have a proper moral compass.

    Opinion. I'm in my right mind. I don't need to justify it or understand it. I just need to tell myself It's not my place to say what is right or wrong for others, as it concerns their personal relationships, bodies, etc. I will not interfere with their pursuit of happiness based on my own choices for my life. It's not of any consequence to me what they do.

    Tinkerbells can piss and moan all they want on the streets and in the media and it will always be sick and wrong.

    Opinion.

    They know this and suffer terribly from inner torment, thats why they lash out all the time to try and force their homo think on society as to gain acceptance.

    You sound like you know a thing or two about this terrible suffering and internal torment. I guess when you get titanic-sized holes blown in your "no hatred" argument, you might as well let your true colors fly, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by k-fridge View Post
    With due respect, you have demonstrated that you know very little about the Bible. It is a complicated book, and one must read and understand it in it's entirety to know it's true meanings. Your comments strike me as propaganda that you pulled off of a blog with a very clear agenda; they are used out of context in an attempt to support a specific position. This is frequently done by clever individuals to rally the uninformed to join their cause.

    I think the context is pretty specific when you dig into the old testament. Look at all of the ridiculous things that people just pretend aren't there!

    There are many members here with an excellent understanding of The Bible, so comments like yours above don't do much for your credibility. You have every right to discuss the Bible here, but it would serve you well to spend some time within it's pages first to gain a better understanding of it.

    With due respect, as a non-believer, I don't think there's anything I could do to make myself credible in your eyes, because your mind is made up. Any argument I make, you are going to try to shoot down on the basis that you believe I just don't understand. I understand pretty well, but here's the difference between my understanding and yours; mine is from the perspective of someone reading a novel. I'm able to be objective and see it for what it is. Most christians' understanding of the bible is the result of years of brainwashing and blissful ignorance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    You completely miss the point of the OP Rob. The point is that these companies are spending profit money they made selling there goods to straight folks to promote the gay agenda such as gay marriage, gays adopting and raising kids, in your face gay parades with public nudity, men kissing in public and in uniform of the military, etc., etc.

    I don't care for them using the profits of my purchases to subsidize the gay life style or legal challenges to our laws for maintaining a family friendly society. I hope you can understand this. I am not for locking them all up but I will have to admit I wish they would go back into the closet where they belong IMO. Thank you, thank you very much
    They're entitled to do whatever they want with their "profit money". It's their business. You can either suck it up or find some other business to patronize. The bottom line is that gay people are a part of our society and many of them serve high positions in government, business, and even the church. No smart publicly traded business is going to ignore such a large, visible and exploitable segment of the population. I agree that some of the marketing campaigns that businesses use are so obviously pro-gay that it's actually disingenuous and more offensive than if they just ignored the gay community altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    A person's ethnicity is not a choice in any way, so your comparisons are completely out of line. Even if homosexuallity were not a choice, it is still a choice to openly flaunt a livestyle that should be as private as any other sexual lifestyle. You don't see me running around in above the knee robes shouting about poking ladies in the belly button, do you? OK then, I don't need to know what other men prefer to do with one another either.
    I don't believe that it's a choice. I don't know what causes it, though. Without knowing what causes people to be gay, it's unfair to treat them as if you do know. I don't think it's the way people are supposed to naturally be, but you could say the same thing about someone with a severe physical deformity or down's syndrome. Perhaps it's just something mis-wired in the brain. The bottom line is that no one knows. Until someone does, they should be accorded the same courtesies and opportunities that everyone else is.

    I agree about the gay pride stuff. There's no need for it. Pride should be reserved for accomplishments, not stuff you really didn't have any control over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    They're entitled to do whatever they want with their "profit money". It's their business. You can either suck it up or find some other business to patronize. The bottom line is that gay people are a part of our society and many of them serve high positions in government, business, and even the church. No smart publicly traded business is going to ignore such a large, visible and exploitable segment of the population. I agree that some of the marketing campaigns that businesses use are so obviously pro-gay that it's actually disingenuous and more offensive than if they just ignored the gay community altogether.
    Well we agree then but not in your crude vocabulary. I elect not to shop at those stores and just wanted to pass the information along to other "conservative" folks like myself. No argument any more. We have the freedom to shop at stores which are friendly not hostile to our beliefs. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
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    TR, you truly do not understand Biblical scripture and it's intent. It would be much better if you at least attempted to learn how scripture is designed to affect us rather then just take passages out of context, out of their intended culture and out of their intended time period just to attempt to be deceitful about messages that can be very beneficial to all of mankind if those messages are just allowed to be properly understood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    I don't believe that it's a choice. I don't know what causes it, though. Without knowing what causes people to be gay, it's unfair to treat them as if you do know. I don't think it's the way people are supposed to naturally be, but you could say the same thing about someone with a severe physical deformity or down's syndrome. Perhaps it's just something mis-wired in the brain. The bottom line is that no one knows. Until someone does, they should be accorded the same courtesies and opportunities that everyone else is.

    I agree about the gay pride stuff. There's no need for it. Pride should be reserved for accomplishments, not stuff you really didn't have any control over.
    I treat homosexuals the same way I treat anyone else. I respect their rights and I expect them to respect my rights.

    As you state, we all have the right to choose who we want to do business with. As I stated, I prefer not to enhance the profits of those who choose to use them for promoting something that I consider offensive to my morals and theological beliefs. We also have the right to rally others to our own ways of thinking as long as we do not infringe on the rights of others in doing so. To my way of thinking, homosexuals keep firing more and more shots at my morals, so I feel more and more inclined to respond with my objections.

    I have worked and even lived with homosexuals over my years. Most of these folk have been good, hard working people who basically want no more or less out of life then I do, albeit from different sources........It is when homosexuals infringe on my rights to not have to be subjected to blatant homosexuallity that I make decisions to respond. That is what is happening here, we are responding to these stores that have decided that they want to cater to homosexual customers to the degree that they are willing to expose us to homosexual lifestyles and values. I love women, but I also avoid doint business with persons who of the NOW mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Well we agree then but not in your crude vocabulary. I elect not to shop at those stores and just wanted to pass the information along to other "conservative" folks like myself. No argument any more. We have the freedom to shop at stores which are friendly not hostile to our beliefs. Thank you, thank you very much
    I'm not even socially conservative and I prefer not to do business with those that promote homosexuallity. Let's face it, homosexuallity is very much an indoctrination lifestyle. It's not like homosexual couples are having homosexual children.

    Without advertizing for homosexuallity, homosexuallity goes back to being pretty much insignificant. Even if the absurd claim that 10% of the population is homosexual and that homosexuallity in the animal kingdom is natural, without indoctrinating others, mostly our youth, into homosexual lifestyles, there would barely be 1% homosexuallity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    TR, you truly do not understand Biblical scripture and it's intent. It would be much better if you at least attempted to learn how scripture is designed to affect us rather then just take passages out of context, out of their intended culture and out of their intended time period just to attempt to be deceitful about messages that can be very beneficial to all of mankind if those messages are just allowed to be properly understood.
    I feel like I understand them as well as I need to, to be honest. I don't need thousands of pages of millenia-old anecdotes to tell me to be a good person and treat people the way I want to be treated. I will experience life the way I want to, instead of how others think I should. Religion is about control and being a follower, and having faith in things unseen. No thanks.

    I'm ok with being this site's lone voice of dissent on this topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I'm not even socially conservative and I prefer not to do business with those that promote homosexuallity. Let's face it, homosexuallity is very much an indoctrination lifestyle. It's not like homosexual couples are having homosexual children.

    Without advertizing for homosexuallity, homosexuallity goes back to being pretty much insignificant. Even if the absurd claim that 10% of the population is homosexual and that homosexuallity in the animal kingdom is natural, without indoctrinating others, mostly our youth, into homosexual lifestyles, there would barely be 1% homosexuallity.
    In Bloomington Indiana the highschools have sex clubs for the kids who feel they are homosexuals, transgender, lesbian and any other type of SEXUAL perversion. Lets all pretend they are't evengelllical

    Kids can't pray in schools, but now they are prey.

    Where do ours schools rank now? Scholastically, I mean. 23rd in the world?

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    Schools have been in decline for a long time. The reasons for it are many. Prayer has nothing to do with it. Kids are free to pray in schools if they like. They can do it by themselves, for themselves. As the bible says they should.

    RoboTeq, if you want to talk about indoctrination, let's talk about prayer in schools... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
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    You're still not getting it. Many "laws" in the Bible for for specific groups. Some of the ones you mentioned were for the Israelites only. The reasons was that God thought they were not strong enough in their faith.

    And many things in the Old Testament were changed under Jesus' New Covenant.

    I don't expect to convert you, but I do think you should study the Bible in it's entirety if you're going to quote it. But frankly, for a non-believer to quote The Bible is hypocritical, IMO. You shouldn't use something you don't believe in to try and support your agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    I feel like I understand them as well as I need to, to be honest. I don't need thousands of pages of millenia-old anecdotes to tell me to be a good person and treat people the way I want to be treated. I will experience life the way I want to, instead of how others think I should. Religion is about control and being a follower, and having faith in things unseen. No thanks.

    I'm ok with being this site's lone voice of dissent on this topic.
    LOL! You are far from being this sites lone voice of dissent on the topic of scripture. All I ask is that you study the Bible with an open mind as to the times each passage was written and in the specific context in which it was written. It also helps a lot to understand that many terms used in scripture do not mean today what they meant at the time they were used for Biblical passages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    Schools have been in decline for a long time. The reasons for it are many. Prayer has nothing to do with it. Kids are free to pray in schools if they like. They can do it by themselves, for themselves. As the bible says they should.

    RoboTeq, if you want to talk about indoctrination, let's talk about prayer in schools... LOL
    There is no prayer allowed in schools, so there is nothing to talk about...is there?

    When there was silent prayer in school, there was absolutley no form of indoctrination associated with it. We simply bowed our heads for a minute of silence, doing what ever each of us individually preferred to do during that minute of silence. Whooooooo......we must have been being converted by some silent force......

    The public school system really slid into decline when Socialism infiltrated the school system in the form of labor unions. Fortunately, I was out of the school system before the Socialist labor unions started getting more and more control.
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