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    Who should NY Trade schools be accredited by?

    I'm considering different trade schools here in the NYC area. Who should they be properly accredited by? Also, any recommendations?
    This would be a 2nd career, so I need to go part time (late afternoons/evenings/weekends).
    Reasonable tuition is obviously a plus.
    Also, how long does it typically take to complete school, etc. for certification?
    Which tests will I need to take?
    Any extra info in general would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!!!!!

    Anthony

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    Save your money all hvac schools in ny i know of are a waste of time you wont learn anything get a job as a apprentice working for a company only way you will learn or start reading alot of books one good one is modern refrigeration also electricity,electronics,and control systems for hvac both you can get used on amazon for a good price (I REPEAT ALL HVAC TRADE SCHOOLS IN NY ARE GARBAGE IV WORKED WITH GUYS OUT OF SCHOOL DIDNT EVEN KNOW WHAT A WRENCH WAS AND 20,000 IN DEBT)

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    Raven22, thanks for the reply. How about getting certified?
    The problem for me is I can't work full-time as an apprentice making very low pay (I'm 40 so got bills, etc).
    What is the pay like as an apprentice? (rough estimate)
    Thanks once again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkingAboutIt
    The problem for me is I can't work full-time as an apprentice making very low pay (I'm 40 so got bills, etc).
    What is really low pay? And do you expect to come out of HVAC school and be able to start as journeyman? Guess again. In our local a first year apprentice starts at about $18.00 plus benefits.

    If you can get accepted as an apprentice, you'll have a steady job and go to school at nights (here it's twice a week) for five years. After each year you will get increases to your wage until you turn out as a journeyman.

    When you go to a trade school you are getting no field experience. It's all book knowledge and when you're finished you have to go out and try to find a job. What if you are unsuccessful in finding a job? Then you have a mountain of more debt and no income to pay it off.

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    Take the low pay. It's worth it.
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    you need your epa card to work with refrigerants go to abco refrigeration supply house they give the epa test its by mainstream engineering its like 175.00 for the test package with study material thats the only certification you need for now and if your using the torch in the 5 boroughs you need the g-60 and f-60 at 9 metro tech brooklyn ny givin by the fdny,also osha 10 hour is good to have a must if your doing new construction you can take it online just google it 1st year apprentice in the union local 21 westchester starts at 15.47 a hour and 638 in nyc 10.95 hour trust me this is the only way you will learn please dont waste your money on school field experience is the way to go

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    Lincoln Tech in Union NJ does bussing in and out of NY and i think it's the better program. I'm a graduate of there and i'm on their advisory board. I used to teach at Apex and after myself and nother teacher left, the supervisor fired all the good teachers because they knew more than him were a threat to him. So at least raven knows what he's talking about here.
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    It's a dilemna later in life definitely. You also have to look at yourself. Are you a hands on physical sort of guy? Can you handle extreme temperatures hot and cold? Are you mechanically inclined? If you answer no too any of these, find something else to do. Especially as you enter your 40s. I'm 44, I've been doing this for 12 years and am slowly transitioning myself out of the more physical end of it. IMO, it takes around 5-8 years in the trade before you become proficient at it, not saying you aren't any good before that, but that is where everything starts to click and it becomes more routine, simply because you've seen a lot of issues. Don't get me wrong, I still learn something new every week and get my ass humbled a few times a year, but it doesn't happen as much anymore.
    I like DIY'ers. They pay better to fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmathews View Post
    It's a dilemna later in life definitely. You also have to look at yourself. Are you a hands on physical sort of guy? Can you handle extreme temperatures hot and cold? Are you mechanically inclined? If you answer no too any of these, find something else to do. Especially as you enter your 40s. I'm 44, I've been doing this for 12 years and am slowly transitioning myself out of the more physical end of it. IMO, it takes around 5-8 years in the trade before you become proficient at it, not saying you aren't any good before that, but that is where everything starts to click and it becomes more routine, simply because you've seen a lot of issues. Don't get me wrong, I still learn something new every week and get my ass humbled a few times a year, but it doesn't happen as much anymore.
    Yes, being later in life, it is a dilemma for sure. I am mechanically inclined, or at least I think so. I used to work on cars when I was younger and was considering being a mechanic back then. I just didn't see being a car mechanic as something I wanted to do for a living, so chose not to. It was more as a hobby and just kept it that way.
    I am in very good shape for my age (play ice hockey twice a week, eat very healthy, etc). So, I'm fine now but when age really catches up which it will no matter what, I figure, as you mentioned, I could move to a less physical department.
    Looks like I have to find out starting pay for apprentices here in NY. If it's close to $20, it's doable. If it's about $15, that would be tough. Too bad I'm not a 20-year old kid again; I wouldn't have to worry about the pay so much lol

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    ever consider being a dispatcher or assistant service manager in an office. might be more of a road to take with being a teacher experiences(what grade and subjects) better money but more politics then the field...
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxster View Post
    ever consider being a dispatcher or assistant service manager in an office. might be more of a road to take with being a teacher experiences(what grade and subjects) better money but more politics then the field...
    I suppose it would be a possibility. I still have to speak to someone who is in the HVAC field through a co-worker's husband. He should have more info for me too. As long as the pay is enough and not too many politics involved, I'll be happy. I just want to work and come home. I'm just tired of the politics, endless, USELESS paperwork, parents in denial, and admin who treats us like incompetent children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkingAboutIt
    Not sure what types of jumps in pay there are.
    I don't know what the wage schedule in the New York area is, but you should be able to find out. Local 250 (Los Angeles) posts the current wage schedule online. You can find it here. Click on the top wage schedule. Shows you everything you'd need to know.

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    I don't know how things in NY are but 36K is awfully close to 40K and something to consider especially since it'll be going up each year. Yeah, first couple of years will be tight in comparison with what you're making now, but things could be worse.. I'd love to start at $18 with benefits, annual increases and pension lol

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