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    Quote Originally Posted by waltervan View Post
    Someone please explain to me why this is so bad. I understand its not the best option but given many scenario it may have been the best option at the time.
    Standards are important and this falls well below whats acceptable to me and other techs I know in the area. Showed my buddies the pic.

    I didnt take any more pics but without telling you can you imagine what kind of shape the rest of that package unit is in ?


    Ill let you in on something, its a rust bucket with huge sheetsof insulation missing from the roof and panels.

    Blower wheel is corroded to hell and it has no heat.

    It sould have been replaced but some hack company jerry rigged a ICP 20 ton condensing unit in there to get the bid.

    Im seeing more and more of these lately. Its not a high roof and its easily accessible with a crane. Just because some building owner felt like saving some money doesnt make that repair acceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    Standards are important and this falls well below whats acceptable to me and other techs I know in the area.

    I didnt take any more pics but without telling you can you imagine what kind of shape the rest of that package unit is in ?


    Ill let you in on something, its a rust bucket with huge sheetsof insulation missing from the roof and panels.

    Blower wheel is corroded to hell and it has no heat.

    It sould have been replaces but some hack company jerry rigged a IPC 20 ton in there to get the bid.

    Im seeing more and more of these lately. Its not a high roof and its easily accessible with a crane. Just because some building owner felt like saving some money doesnt make that repair acceptable.
    It's apparently acceptable to the customer....and isn't that who pays our freight?

    When did customers become "obligated" to abide our recommendations, without seeking viable options?

    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rayr View Post
    I would bet money that it works better than this hack job.

    Please say it's not so !

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    what's wrong with that condenser replacement? you just have to repipe the whole thing. works the same, but not pretty. maybe only cost half a rooftop. then the next year the HXC blew....
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTP99 View Post
    Please say it's not so !
    this is just wrong..... i can not believe my eyes...
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    looking at the install it does not appear to be hacked in.
    4x4's appear to have roof padding under them to minimize sinking into gravel.

    4x4's also longer than unit to disperse weight?

    Piping does not appear to be run in soft copper but acr with fittings.
    ( i would have used soft with benders and swaging tool to make look neat)

    Cannot see electrical connections.

    Maybe the contractor knew his customer well and this is what they came up with as a best solution within the budget the owner has to work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    It's apparently acceptable to the customer....and isn't that who pays our freight?

    When did customers become "obligated" to abide our recommendations, without seeking viable options?

    You consider that as a viable option ? I guess thats the difference.

    Its our responsibillity to explain to them what is acceptable and whats hacked up jerry rigged junk.

    Now if they chose to go the cheap route and ignore our advice then you did what you could do and you move on.

    You dont lower your standards because the customer is too cheap to do the right thing. You shake his hand and tell him good luck.

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    [QUOTE=clarkkent;13332251]looking at the install it does not appear to be hacked in.
    4x4's appear to have roof padding under them to minimize sinking into gravel.

    4x4's also longer than unit to disperse weight?

    Piping does not appear to be run in soft copper but acr with fittings.
    ( i would have used soft with benders and swaging tool to make look neat)

    Cannot see electrical connections.

    Maybe the contractor knew his customer well and this is what they came up with as a best solution within the budget the owner has to work with.[/Q

    this is a hack job.... i would be ashamed.....
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkkent View Post
    looking at the install it does not appear to be hacked in.
    4x4's appear to have roof padding under them to minimize sinking into gravel.

    4x4's also longer than unit to disperse weight?

    Piping does not appear to be run in soft copper but acr with fittings.
    ( i would have used soft with benders and swaging tool to make look neat)

    Cannot see electrical connections.

    Maybe the contractor knew his customer well and this is what they came up with as a best solution within the budget the owner has to work with.
    The building is off of Richmond Drive in HoustonTx. Those familiar with Houston know that commercial property values in this area are through the roof.

    That roof is attached to one of my customers who has about 24 package units. There is no reason for the owner of this property to ok that kind of repair.

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    I agree butcher job......
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    You consider that as a viable option ? I guess thats the difference.

    Its our responsibillity to explain to them what is acceptable and whats hacked up jerry rigged junk.

    Now if they chose to go the cheap route and ignore our advice then you did what you could do and you move on.

    You dont lower your standards because the customer is too cheap to do the right thing. You shake his hand and tell him good luck.
    A wise businessperson also knows when to check his ego at the door.

    This is commercial stuff....it's not about being pretty....it's about being functional.
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    A wise businessperson also knows when to check his ego at the door.

    This is commercial stuff....it's not about being pretty....it's about being functional.
    Its about being RIGHT. Most building owners CARE about how their property looks abd really dont want some Frankenstein AC unit left running on their roof.

    Commercial isnt synonymous with half ass and get away with with the minumum to get the $.

    You dont compromise your standards of whats right and wrong by jerry rigging junk like that.
    The ratio of techs that say its butchered crap to techs that say its acceptable is about 10 to 1 so far. I took posting it here to get the 10% that thought it was acceptable.

    Ive shown that pic to a few of my buddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    Its about being RIGHT.
    And, what's RULE #1 in business ?

    At least you finally admit, that it's about YOU....and not the customer...
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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