York RTU 20 Ton Condenser Replacement

[carmon]

[QUOTE=clarkkent;13332251]looking at the install it does not appear to be hacked in.
4x4's appear to have roof padding under them to minimize sinking into gravel.

4x4's also longer than unit to disperse weight?

Piping does not appear to be run in soft copper but acr with fittings.
( i would have used soft with benders and swaging tool to make look neat)

Cannot see electrical connections.

Maybe the contractor knew his customer well and this is what they came up with as a best solution within the budget the owner has to work with.[/Q

this is a hack job.... i would be ashamed.....

[Six]

looking at the install it does not appear to be hacked in.
4x4's appear to have roof padding under them to minimize sinking into gravel.

4x4's also longer than unit to disperse weight?

Piping does not appear to be run in soft copper but acr with fittings.
( i would have used soft with benders and swaging tool to make look neat)

Cannot see electrical connections.

Maybe the contractor knew his customer well and this is what they came up with as a best solution within the budget the owner has to work with.

The building is off of Richmond Drive in HoustonTx. Those familiar with Houston know that commercial property values in this area are through the roof.

That roof is attached to one of my customers who has about 24 package units. There is no reason for the owner of this property to ok that kind of repair.

[carmon]

I agree butcher job......

[John Markl]

You consider that as a viable option ? I guess thats the difference.

Its our responsibillity to explain to them what is acceptable and whats hacked up jerry rigged junk.

Now if they chose to go the cheap route and ignore our advice then you did what you could do and you move on.

You dont lower your standards because the customer is too cheap to do the right thing. You shake his hand and tell him good luck.

A wise businessperson also knows when to check his ego at the door.

This is commercial stuff....it's not about being pretty....it's about being functional.

[Six]

A wise businessperson also knows when to check his ego at the door.

This is commercial stuff....it's not about being pretty....it's about being functional.

Its about being RIGHT. Most building owners CARE about how their property looks abd really dont want some Frankenstein AC unit left running on their roof.

Commercial isnt synonymous with half ass and get away with with the minumum to get the $.

You dont compromise your standards of whats right and wrong by jerry rigging junk like that.
The ratio of techs that say its butchered crap to techs that say its acceptable is about 10 to 1 so far. I took posting it here to get the 10% that thought it was acceptable.

Ive shown that pic to a few of my buddies.

[John Markl]

Its about being RIGHT.

And, what's RULE #1 in business ?

At least you finally admit, that it's about YOU....and not the customer...

[skwsproul]

Hmmmm. It is inovative. The customer wants it that way.. Really? Someone did not do their job effectively. The customer was not educated propperly to make this decision.
It will cost a lot more in the long run. That rusty turd wont last forever and then what are they gonna do. Sure a 20 ton condensor is cheaper than a 20 ton RTU but here there are enough incentives by the utility companies that would just about cover the difference among other incintives like a cheaper bill every month.

[VTP99]

then the next year the HXC blew....

Valid point here. I'm all for saving my customers money. That's how I keep them. Now would I do something like this ? Most likely not. Maybe if the unit was just out of warranty yet still somewhat new. What happens when the heat exchanger leaks ? Do you sell them a new furnace for the other side ? I just can't see putting my name on something like this.

[Six]

Hmmmm. It is inovative. The customer wants it that way.. Really? Someone did not do their job effectively. The customer was not educated propperly to make this decision.
It will cost a lot more in the long run. That rusty turd wont last forever and then what are they gonna do. Sure a 20 ton condensor is cheaper than a 20 ton RTU but here there are enough incentives by the utility companies that would just about cover the difference among other incintives like a cheaper bill every month.

Its actually becoming a common sight on rooftops. Saw another one yesterday.

I dont know if its a sign of the economic tes are a company thats pushing these repairs.

Maybe both.

[techbill11]

Just a question is it really in the customers best interest to sell them what would be a fairly costly bandaid knowing that the rest of the unit does not have much life left.As far as what customer wants there are times were no is the only answer.Would you bypass a safety device on gas furnace or bypass breaker to get customer by leaving no safe way to turn power off because the customer wanted you to. We also do not know if this was temporary maybe till they could get an air handler inside or loaner unit.Sorry so long just some thoughts but I would not do that as a finished solution.

[John Markl]

Just a question is it really in the customers best interest to sell them what would be a fairly costly bandaid knowing that the rest of the unit does not have much life left.As far as what customer wants there are times were no is the only answer.Would you bypass a safety device on gas furnace or bypass breaker to get customer by leaving no safe way to turn power off because the customer wanted you to. We also do not know if this was temporary maybe till they could get an air handler inside or loaner unit.Sorry so long just some thoughts but I would not do that as a finished solution.

Bypassing a safety on a furnace, and tying a new condensing unit into an older RTU is apples and oranges.

We really need to get over ourselves.

[carmon]

again .................. find the knifes........ butcher at work.....

[Alitakjack]

Because the rest of the system will never wear or burn out.

[chaard]

I would bet money that it works better than this hack job.

OH! FREAKIN' WOW!

[hvac wiz 79]

OH! FREAKIN' WOW!

WOW

[OldSchoolMech]

I have never seen an AC Tied in like that only a Furnace............If the owner of the property wasnt such a cheap and payed his bills I could get a picture to show you guys. But I don't think I will be going back. Like 77 says its a sign of weak ecomony Why do you need to bypass safetys????

[gsxrsquid]

I would bet money that it works better than this hack job.

was that picture from southern california? I had a buddy years ago in property management who had taken over a building and found that on the roof. Looks exactly like that rig.

[rayr]

Could be. BamaCracker sent it to me a longgggggggggggg time ago. If any of you remember him. (Mickey)