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    Investors Business Daily article...

    Article from the "Investor's Business Daily." It provides some very
    interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International
    Health Organization.

    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after
    diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%


    Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment
    within six months:

    U.S. 93%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six
    months:

    U.S. 90%

    England 15%

    Canada 43%


    Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

    U.S. 77%

    England 40%

    Canada 43%


    Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

    U.S. 71

    England 14

    Canada 18


    Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in
    "excellent health":

    U.S. 12%

    England 2%

    Canada 6%

    And now for the last statistic..

    National Health Insurance?

    U.S. NO

    England YES

    Canada YES

    The percentage of each past presidents cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet.

    T. Roosevelt 38% R

    Taft 40% R

    Wilson 52% D

    Harding 49% R

    Coolidge 48% R

    Hoover 42% R

    F. Roosevelt 50% D

    Truman 50% D

    Eisenhower 57% R

    Kennedy 30% D

    Johnson 47% D

    Nixon 53% R

    Ford 42% R

    Carter 32% D

    Reagan 56% R

    GH Bush 51% R

    Clinton 39% D

    GW Bush 55% R

    Obama 8% D

    This helps explain the incompetence of this administration: only 8% of them have ever worked in private business!

    This is the least by far of the last 19 presidents. And these people are trying to tell big corporations how to run their business?

    How can a president of a major nation and society, stand and talk about business when he has never worked in one? Or about jobs when he has never really had one? And when its the same for 92% of his senior staff and closest advisors? They have spent most of their time in academia, government and/or non profit jobs or as community organizers. They should have been in an employment line.
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    Again?

    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    A document that you may have missed in your readings.




    http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/eph/ncde/canc...y_protocol.pdf


    From your article



    From the Concord study.







    The study has a lot of information and breaks down cancers into different types out of 31 countries. On one chart it shows Cuba as having the best 5 year survival rate for Woman's breast cancer closely followed by the USA and then Canada with England down at #22, and then for Prostate cancer the USA is at the top of the list with Austria and then Canada following and Cuba at #8 and England #19. And then with Colorectum cancer Cuba is at the top for women's survival and only beat out by Japan in men survival (USA women #3, Canada #4, and men, USA #3 and Canada #6).

    In another chart woman breast cancer 5 year survival rate is listed as USA 83·9%, Canada 82·5%.




    Now as far as disputing any of the other claims of the article you quoted but did not give the source, I have other things to do today.

    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And just for kicks, the article does not exist from the "Investor's Business Daily". Also neither does the report as quoted in the "Investor's Business Daily". Mind you, a quick search also shows the 'United Nations International Health Organization' quoted in the article that does not exist, does not exist either. I'm glad none of us are in charge of running our countries.

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....y#post12506531





    And further.

    United Nations International Health Organization Survey.
    Current Events, Health Care, Journalism, Politics Add comments
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    Update. I’m leaving this up and offering an apology. I received this from a trusted source and ran with it, without checking it’s origin. I’m unable to find the original source of the survey so please disregard.

    Note: This doesn’t take away from my opinion on just how bad Obama Care is, and how Obama and the Democrats have no respect for the American people regarding our Health Care.
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    Confused What's the source of that information?

    I may agree with the point you're trying to make, but I like to be careful before spreading false information, so I did some searching and I cannot find an organization called "United Nations International Health Organization" and I cannot find any article in the Investors Business Daily like the one you referenced. I did find a few sources posted during the past couple of years that seem to be reliable and they indicate the information is untrue.
    I'm still learning this trade.

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    The above quote left out some info.

    A document that you may have missed in your readings.
    Quote:
    Cancer survival in five continents: a worldwide population-based study (CONCORD)

    Summary
    Background Cancer survival varies widely between countries. The CONCORD study provides survival estimates for 1·9 million adults (aged 15–99 years) diagnosed with a first, primary, invasive cancer of the breast (women), colon, rectum, or prostate during 1990–94 and followed up to 1999, by use of individual tumour records from 101 population-based cancer registries in 31 countries on five continents. This is, to our knowledge, the first worldwide analysis of cancer survival, with standard quality-control procedures and identical analytic methods for all datasets.
    Quote:
    We analysed individual data for almost 2 million adults who were diagnosed with a first, primary, malignant, invasive neoplasm of the breast (women), colon, rectum, or prostate during the period 1990–94 and who had been followed up to ascertain their vital status for at least 5 years after diagnosis until the end of 1999 or later. Data were contributed by 101 population-based cancer registries covering a combined population of almost 300 million persons living in 31 countries
    http://www.lshtm.ac.uk/eph/ncde/canc...y_protocol.pdf

    From your article

    Quote:
    Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years
    after diagnosis:

    U.S. 65%

    England 46%

    Canada 42%
    From the Concord study.

    Quote:
    Relative survival at 5 years, age-standardised to the International Cancer Survival Standard weights, ranged from 80% or over in North America, Sweden, Japan, Finland, and Australia to less than 60% in Brazil and Slovakia, and below 40% in Algeria (table 2 and figure 1). Survival in the 24 European countries that contributed to CONCORD was mostly in the range 70–79%.
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    The pooled estimate of 5-year survival for Canada was 82·5%, with a narrow range from 79·3% in Nova Scotia to 85·4% in British Columbia (table 2 and figure 1). In the USA, 5-year relative survival for all races combined ranged from 78–81% in New York City, New York State, and Louisiana to 89–90% in Hawaii and Seattle, WA (table 2), but most of the estimates were within a fairly narrow range, from 82% to 87% (figure 2).
    Quote:
    Survival was lower for blacks than for whites in all 17 populations in the USA for which this could be assessed with race-specific life tables (webfigure 2). The age-adjusted pooled estimate of 5-year survival was 84·7% for whites (range 80–90%) and 70·9% for blacks (table 3).
    The study has a lot of information and breaks down cancers into different types out of 31 countries. On one chart it shows Cuba as having the best 5 year survival rate for Woman's breast cancer closely followed by the USA and then Canada with England down at #22, and then for Prostate cancer the USA is at the top of the list with Austria and then Canada following and Cuba at #8 and England #19. And then with Colorectum cancer Cuba is at the top for women's survival and only beat out by Japan in men survival (USA women #3, Canada #4, and men, USA #3 and Canada #6).

    In another chart woman breast cancer 5 year survival rate is listed as USA 83·9%, Canada 82·5%.
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    Smile

    Hey coolwhip you forgot this one
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    My apologies!

    This information is inaccurate and does not reflect the truth.

    The truth is that the Obama cabinet is closer to 2% than 8%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    My apologies!

    This information is inaccurate and does not reflect the truth.

    The truth is that the Obama cabinet is closer to 2% than 8%.
    Got any facts to back that up?
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    Email rants passed around by uninformed right wing radicals - and people wonder why reality has a liberal bias.
    Fox News - Rich people paying rich people to tell middle class people to blame the poor.

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    Ha!...look at you libbies with your panties all wadded up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Email rants passed around by uninformed right wing radicals - and people wonder why reality has a liberal bias.
    Ah yes. The worn-out, laughably inaccurate pass along e-mail; the conservative intellectual's best friend.
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    I'd still rather go to Cuba for my surgery. I love adventure........Michael Moore said it's great. I trust him. Why would he lie about it?????
    Tough times don't last...Tough people do.

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    If you don't have access to medical care or never say a doctor to get diagnosed with the illnesses listed in the statistics, you would not be included in that stat. The stats are therefore skewed, or need ot be normalized.

    Let's say that 50% of people who are involved in plane crashes are killed in country A, vs. 40% in country B. Planes in A must be less safe right? What if I told you that only 0.00001% of all flights in A result in crashes and the planes have average landing speeds of 150mph while in B 0.01% crash but have a landing speed of 90mph.

    I have little doubt that for those who have access to and/or can afford good medical care get the best care in the world. Those statistics prove that. Those who cannot, get soem of the worst care in the industrialized world.

    That what universal helthcare is all about.

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    Of course if you got the $$ you got good care. Obama wants to bring everybody DOWN to the same level. Sheety care for all is his fairness. They don't want to raise people up, they want to bring everybody down to the same level. Much easier to control the population when they are dependant on govt for their every need.
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