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    Mormons under the Latter Day Saints, LDS, had completely disassociated itself with polygamy.

    not the Romneys who denounced America and moved to Mexico



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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    not the Romneys who denounced America and moved to Mexico
    You are going back to the 19th Century with this one. Mitt Romney's father re-entered the U.S. as an American citizen when he was five years old. Romney's parents were not polygamist's and Mitt Romney has never been a polygamist. Should we be adhering to some sort of caste system where we are held responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

    Now don't get me wrong, I am no Mitt Romney fan. Attempting to make an issue of Mitt Romney's religious beliefs seems almost silly compared to trying to figure out what Obama worships. Speaking of which, Reverend Wright claims that Obama attempted to bribe him to stop speaking publicly just prior to the 2008 election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Male dominated threesomes is very common. Muslims and mormons. So you are okay with that? Or just in denial it happens?
    As I said, not much of it round these parts. Way more other things on the front burner. Heck, that does not even make the back burner.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=egxB0dTajb4

    ppl of USA, fight for your right. it's hard to be the light of the world. no country is perfect, but it seems that you guys are the only one that has a back bone on any issue. not all of them correct, but at least you would stand for something that you believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    As I said, not much of it round these parts. Way more other things on the front burner. Heck, that does not even make the back burner.
    Actually it does. There is rampant polygamy in utah and elsewhere, splinter groups of the mormon church. There are others that basically just make up there own religion, Koresh style. Add to that growing muslim populations with immigrants bringing polygamy over with them and it amounts to a serious issue.

    Earlier you claimed:

    I take thee to love and care for, in sickness and in health, for richer, for poorer...

    Don't see anything in the above that gays are incapable of.


    I asked if you thought the same about a threesome. Seems like a reasonable question but you refuse to answer it. I am willing to drop it here. I think I have made my point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Should we be adhering to some sort of caste system where we are held responsible for the actions of our ancestors?
    Your god seems to have no problem with holding you accountable for the actions of your ancestors. So why should mere humans not follow your god's example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitz View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=egxB0dTajb4

    ppl of USA, fight for your right. it's hard to be the light of the world. no country is perfect, but it seems that you guys are the only one that has a back bone on any issue. not all of them correct, but at least you would stand for something that you believe.
    Most of us are trying. Unfortunately, our government is now so infested with Socialists who are breaking down theological standards in order to replace God's will and benevelance with government will and benevelance that it is becoming more and more difficult to stop this wave from washing away what the U.S. was intended to be.
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    The way I see it, as soon as the government got in the marriage business, they opened the door to it being considered a 'right'. In my mind, marriage is a two party contract, and should not have any governmental involvement. If either side pushed for marriage to be deregulated, and turned back into a private matter, you'd be hard pressed to find those against it (at least not in any significant numbers). It would also get this overly BS debate out of the public consiousness so people could focus on just how bad the government is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You are going back to the 19th Century with this one. Mitt Romney's father re-entered the U.S. as an American citizen when he was five years old. Romney's parents were not polygamist's and Mitt Romney has never been a polygamist. Should we be adhering to some sort of caste system where we are held responsible for the actions of our ancestors?
    You seem to not have any problem holding others to the customs of YOUR ancestors. As for plural marriage, again, I see no problem with it. Marriage is a private contract, and it should have no governmental involvement. As long as terms are aggreed upon by all parties, and the actions do not infringe on other's rights, they should be fully permitted in all forms. The current bigamy laws, in my mind, are completely unconstitutional - matters of private relationship should not in any way be a criminal matter. It is those bigamy laws that prevent plural marriages from being more common. Gay's can call themselves married all they want and it is not a criminal issue. However, if one man considers himself married to more than one woman, he can go to jail with a felony conviction in 39 states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraziFuzzy View Post
    You seem to not have any problem holding others to the customs of YOUR ancestors. As for plural marriage, again, I see no problem with it. Marriage is a private contract, and it should have no governmental involvement. As long as terms are aggreed upon by all parties, and the actions do not infringe on other's rights, they should be fully permitted in all forms. The current bigamy laws, in my mind, are completely unconstitutional - matters of private relationship should not in any way be a criminal matter. It is those bigamy laws that prevent plural marriages from being more common. Gay's can call themselves married all they want and it is not a criminal issue. However, if one man considers himself married to more than one woman, he can go to jail with a felony conviction in 39 states.
    I have no idea what it is you are accusing me of as to holding others to customs of MY ancestors. I do agree with you that marriage should not be in any way under government and also agree that if certain cultures and theologies allow for polygamy or even homosexual marriages that there should be no government interference with these marriages.

    As long as government can adjust taxation of persons based on marital status, government should not be involved with that portion of our social lives. It would certainly make divorce interesting if government did not dictate marital conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    I have no idea what it is you are accusing me of as to holding others to customs of MY ancestors. I do agree with you that marriage should not be in any way under government and also agree that if certain cultures and theologies allow for polygamy or even homosexual marriages that there should be no government interference with these marriages.

    As long as government can adjust taxation of persons based on marital status, government should not be involved with that portion of our social lives. It would certainly make divorce interesting if government did not dictate marital conditions.
    You state it right there in your response. Marriage is a personal issue, it should not be up to any organized religion any more that it should be a governmental issue. You make it sound like everything has to go back to a religious basis, in a fundamentally non-religious country. What of the estimated 16-33% of america that has no religious affiliation in any way? Should they not be allowed any sort of marriage because it is not a part of their approved religious code?

    You also did say this incredibly offensive bit of text:
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    There is simply no basis for homosexuals to be considered married other than to be offensive to the theological beliefs of others.
    Do you truly believe that the reason homosexuals want to get married is to offend christians? Do you have any idea how hypocritical that sounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraziFuzzy View Post
    You state it right there in your response. Marriage is a personal issue, it should not be up to any organized religion any more that it should be a governmental issue. You make it sound like everything has to go back to a religious basis, in a fundamentally non-religious country. What of the estimated 16-33% of america that has no religious affiliation in any way? Should they not be allowed any sort of marriage because it is not a part of their approved religious code?

    You also did say this incredibly offensive bit of text:
    Do you truly believe that the reason homosexuals want to get married is to offend christians? Do you have any idea how hypocritical that sounds?
    Just what criteria do you suppose should be used for marriage if not theological? Under what other authority is marriage determined?
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    Well if you are truly christian (which I do not claim to be) you would understand that God loves all of us equally, regardless of sin....every single one of us sins...so should none of us be allowed to be married since you are saying being gay is a sin?


    If you believe it's a matter of religion then leave the judging up to God...as said in the bible, God is the ONLY judge.

    If you believe gay marriage is not a matter of religion then should we hunt down every single couple that only do these acts behind close doors for fear of what society will throw upon them, then force them to divorce? If you give gays nothing at all you should give them a bit of respect for having the courage to face the hate full world we live in and being open about who they are.

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