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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    Commtech seems to be saying the exact same thing I would, nice job.

    as far as your "facts" about the least corrupt countries in the world, I have to say, I almost choked laughing?
    So why are these countries so corrupt, that it makes you choke while laughing.

    Show me some other data that ranks corruption.

    Or do you think I just made them up, to show on this site, let me guess you think it is just commie propaganda and a pack of lies!

    I can speak for New Zealand, the people will not put up with politicians who are corrupt. Left or right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prorefco View Post
    It's not so much about WHAT we have (need) to take power away from the commies, but who... While we have many problems in our system that leaves the barn door open for commie beasties to enter and congregate, there are a few things that could be done to greatly reduce their proliferation. First, term limits on all elected positions. Most politicians don't enter the system with greed and corruption, once they get a taste of money and power the greed sets in. The crony capitalism gets ingrained in them and then their main interest becomes getting relected.

    Secondly, government lobbying. Eliminate it! Corporations essentially buy legislation through lobbying. This is intended to eliminate (or reduce) competition and bolster sales through legislation. At the same time it reduces individual liberties.

    Case in point; Look at the whole global warming cap & tax crap. Anything a government does to address global warming (if global warming actually existed) doesn't do a thing to slow or stop it. It ONLY puts money into the pockets of politicians and corporate elites. It's another commie initiative. Universal healthcare is another one. It won't help ANY individual, it will ONLY put more money into the pockets of the rich & powerful. Yet another commie plot.

    These are just two things that should be done for starters that can have wide ranging effects. There are many other things we could do ot help but there is not enough room here to explain all...
    I have to agree with your first part.

    Global warming, is still in debate, so leave this but, I can agree how it being handled is about the money and not the environment.

    Healthcare, as universal healthcare is something I already have and you do not, i am all for it, but the way it is being played in the states, it is as you said (half hearted attempt). But to shift to a more recognized system would require a very major shift. maybe to much in a single bound.

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    FREE MARKETS is the only way..... Once the .gov gets its paws into an industry, it's all down hill from there....

    We would not even be having this discussion if the .gov hadn't intruded into our markets in the first place. Having a business friendly environment is what makes a contry strong and self-sufficient...

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    So why are these countries so corrupt, that it makes you choke while laughing.

    Show me some other data that ranks corruption.

    Or do you think I just made them up, to show on this site, let me guess you think it is just commie propaganda and a pack of lies!

    I can speak for New Zealand, the people will not put up with politicians who are corrupt. Left or right.
    funny thing about corruption, no one knows about it.........until it's discovered by the media or other outlets. A government (such as New Zealand or United Kingdom)that wants to keep corruption out of the spot light, they have that ability

    so to say that these countries are "Perceived to be" I find hilarious. If you take that website as fact, well your just gullible. You simply can not have an Elite section of society (politicians) and NOT have some form of corruption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prorefco View Post

    Case in point; Look at the whole global warming cap & tax crap. Anything a government does to address global warming (if global warming actually existed) doesn't do a thing to slow or stop it. It ONLY puts money into the pockets of politicians and corporate elites. It's another commie initiative. Universal healthcare is another one. It won't help ANY individual, it will ONLY put more money into the pockets of the rich & powerful. Yet another commie plot.

    These are just two things that should be done for starters that can have wide ranging effects. There are many other things we could do ot help but there is not enough room here to explain all...

    interesting you bring this up in a conversation about corruption:

    I found this on the net the other day: Speaking of corruption

    EPA Fines Oil Companies for Another Company’s Fraud - Welcome to
    “Managed America.”


    The U.S. EPA “Settled “with 30 companies because they
    purchased “Fuel Credits,” even though at the time of the purchases there was no way for the buyers to know the seller would not complete their right to sell the credits. The Environmental Protection Agency reached settlement agreements with ExxonMobil Corp., Shell Oil Co. and 28 other companies after they bought “fraudulent” renewablefuel credits. The EPA said in administrative settlement documents on its website today
    that the refiners and other companies bought credits for the required production of biodiesel from either Clean Green Fuels LLC or Absolute Fuels LLC. EPA made the settlement offers to “help restore certainty in the market, resolve the violations and ensure that the goals of Congress are met,” Betsaida Alcantara, a spokeswoman for EPA, said today in an e-mail. Three of the 33 companies contacted by the EPA didn’t settle, she said, without identifying those companies.

    The EPA said Clean Green Fuels and Absolute Fuels sold credits for the production of clean fuel they didn’t make. Those companies face separate actions by the EPA. Rodney R. Hailey, owner of Clean Green in Maryland, was charged by U.S. officials on Oct. 3 with wire fraud, money laundering and violating the Clean Air Act, according to the EPA. Hailey has pleaded not guilty in U.S. District Court, according to the Washington Post. A telephone message left with his lawyer, Joseph Evans, wasn’t immediately returned.

    None of the companies admitted wrongdoing, according to the
    settlement documents. Exxon agreed to pay a U.S. fine of $165,407; Shell, $110,331; ConocoPhillips (COP), $250,000; and a unit of BP Plc (BP/), $350,000. “ConocoPhillips purchased the RINs in good faith and was the victim of fraud committed by the seller,” Janet Grothe, a spokeswoman for the company, said in an e-mail. The credits are called Renewable Identification Numbers, or RINs. “The civil settlement does not constitute an
    admission of liability,” she said. Kayla Macke, a spokeswoman for Shell, referred questions to the American Petroleum Institute in Washington.
    when all else fails, just make up stuff and hand out arbitrary fines. Granted, the fines are a joke, for Exxon to pay $165K, thats pocket change to them. They probably paid that out of petty cash?

    But the fact that the EPA made this stuff up is Ludicrous
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    Well, you do kow that the epa has set requirements on oil companies their motor fuels to contain a certain minimum percentage of "cellulose" ethanol or face a fine. The problem here is that there is not enough cellulose ethanol available to go around, thus, all motor fuel companies WILL be fined. Is this the stupidest thing you have ever heard of?? Another example of crony capitalism and commie plot....

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    we (the world) are about to get a first hand look at whether Socialism works or not.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/EU-F...mo_code=ED59-1

    The world economy just got a whole lot more interesting
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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    I did not say Toss the Constitution ( I have read you founding document, wise words, but can be left to interpretation It was a document of liberalization not conservatism)but you keep referring to a document that is 200 years old, that was written for a place in time. The time has changed, you need look how this is to modernized, stop looking back start looking forward!
    I very much doubt a radical change will happen while conservatives just keeping looking back at the good old days. Do you just have a fear of change?
    What specific part of the Constitution needs to be changed ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    we (the world) are about to get a first hand look at whether Socialism works or not.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/EU-F...mo_code=ED59-1

    The world economy just got a whole lot more interesting
    Its pretty bad. If austerity fails in Europe investors are going to move their money in to the safest option which right now T bills. That massive influx of cash is going to be the
    nail in the coffin for an already weak American dollar.

    Inflation's bad now but just wait.

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    And speaking of the CNC, here's another one of his genius plans:

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/05...s-report-says/

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    Its pretty bad. If austerity fails in Europe investors are going to move their money in to the safest option which right now T bills. That massive influx of cash is going to be the
    nail in the coffin for an already weak American dollar.

    Inflation's bad now but just wait.
    and the new French government is going to tax the "rich" at 75%, what do you think the rich French people will be doing, other than moving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    I did not say Toss the Constitution ( I have read you founding document, wise words, but can be left to interpretation It was a document of liberalization not conservatism)but you keep referring to a document that is 200 years old, that was written for a place in time. The time has changed, you need look how this is to modernized, stop looking back start looking forward!
    I very much doubt a radical change will happen while conservatives just keeping looking back at the good old days. Do you just have a fear of change?
    What you're advocating is the same thing as tossing the constitutuon. A selective edit of our founding doctrine to suite a leftist ideology.

    Might as well use it as a door matt.

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    Barbar is our token brainwashed leftist from abroad.
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