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    Quote Originally Posted by prorefco View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=F5xaZB8AgAQ

    At least we now know how liberals die...


    And I believe that it IS INDEED in the best interest of the country to make people responsible and productive again... That all starts with the belief the .gov is not God and that our human rights don't come from the .gov... If you want your government to be your God, the Russians are waiting for you...
    Like I said - your right to think as you please, but the definition of human rights is a perfect example of a nuance, what you see as a right others may see as a privilege and I am quite sure it goes both ways. One man may feel that driving a gas guzzler is his human right whereas another may say healthcare is a human right. Who will play God and decide?
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Like I said - your right to think as you please, but the definition of human rights is a perfect example of a nuance, what you see as a right others may see as a privilege and I am quite sure it goes both ways. One man may feel that driving a gas guzzler is his human right whereas another may say healthcare is a human right. Who will play God and decide?
    Our God-given rights are spelled out in the consitiution... I didn't see anything there about gas guzzling cars or healthcare insurance...

    But watch out what you wish for, you might just get it... And then whatcha going to say about commies??

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    I still think it's hilarious that we have people in this country who think that everything is fine...we do not need to change a thing (except our president)...but yet you turn the corner and those same people are complaining about everything under the sun.

    You can't change one man in power and fix an entire system that's broken....When corporations buy our politicians, the corporations are also buying our laws. You scream smaller government but you are blinded to the fact that it is the corporations that are both building up as well as destroying this country.

    Some people seem to want to go back to life before government, when the streets were our restrooms, we were gunning people down for looking at us funny. Crimes were hardly ever solved, bandits roamed free, and the only defense anyone had against crimes done to them was their word.

    Government stepped in and gave us the life we have now, not corporations, government...and corrupt as it may be I would rather be facing a corrupt person today than walking through piles of human crap yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Like I said - your right to think as you please, but the definition of human rights is a perfect example of a nuance, what you see as a right others may see as a privilege and I am quite sure it goes both ways. One man may feel that driving a gas guzzler is his human right whereas another may say healthcare is a human right. Who will play God and decide?
    Our Constitution ond Bill of rights are pretty specific.

    You put little value in the contents of at least one of those according to one of your previous post.

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    Does the Constitution give an individual the right to privacy? If so the circumstances where it is protected must be spelled out. If it does not then corps and the gov has the right to all of your personal secrets. It is not just black vs white, constitutional vs socialist or for that matter constitutional vs capitalist. The founding fathers wrote the document and amendments but they were human and unless we are talking divine inspiration they could not foresee every possible situation.
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    I think the problems have become so numerous that it will take more than constant on-line bickering to fix.

    There is nothing wrong with the Constitution, it was designed to be flexible. it was also designed to make changing it a tough thing to do.

    what went wrong is when certain elitists decided they know how to run your life better than you do.

    These elite individuals also discovered a lifetime occupation, which government service was never meant to be.

    Add to that a significant number of people who have discovered they can vote themselves money, everyone else is pretty much screwed
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    STEP 1: Enact term limits for ALL (and I do mean ALL) electable positions in government. There will be no more "career" politicians. No more spending your life in one political job.

    You come from the rank and file knowing how stuff is; serve your time, and then return to civilian life.

    Which is exactly what the founding fathers intended.

    "The system" is not the issue. Here's the issue; out of touch legislators.

    These are the folks that voted themselves thier very own retirement plan and medical plan. Why should they be concerned with what the little folks get?

    These are the folks who voted down a proposed law that would REQUIRE them to actually read the bills that they vote on.

    Is there any greater single instance of those elected proclaiming the electorate stupid? They didn't even try to hide it, a completely unabashed admission; nope we're not doing it and you can't make us!

    Oh yes we can! But we don't.

    One gets the government that one deserves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Like I said - your right to think as you please, but the definition of human rights is a perfect example of a nuance, what you see as a right others may see as a privilege and I am quite sure it goes both ways. One man may feel that driving a gas guzzler is his human right whereas another may say healthcare is a human right. Who will play God and decide?
    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    I still think it's hilarious that we have people in this country who think that everything is fine...we do not need to change a thing (except our president)...but yet you turn the corner and those same people are complaining about everything under the sun.

    You can't change one man in power and fix an entire system that's broken....When corporations buy our politicians, the corporations are also buying our laws. You scream smaller government but you are blinded to the fact that it is the corporations that are both building up as well as destroying this country. t

    Some people seem to want to go back to life before government, when the streets were our restrooms, we were gunning people down for looking at us funny. Crimes were hardly ever solved, bandits roamed free, and the only defense anyone had against crimes done to them was their word.

    Government stepped in and gave us the life we have now, not corporations, government...and corrupt as it may be I would rather be facing a corrupt person today than walking through piles of human crap yesterday.

    Whats hillarious and disturbing is the insistance of some misguided folk that think European socialist policies are the answer.

    With the Eurozone at deaths door economically people continue to perpetuate the socialist agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Does the Constitution give an individual the right to privacy? If so the circumstances where it is protected must be spelled out. If it does not then corps and the gov has the right to all of your personal secrets. It is not just black vs white, constitutional vs socialist or for that matter constitutional vs capitalist. The founding fathers wrote the document and amendments but they were human and unless we are talking divine inspiration they could not foresee every possible situation.
    Our judicial branch tackles that very issue. Brilliant huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by commtech77 View Post
    Our judicial branch tackles that very issue. Brilliant huh?
    So you would say the Constitution is a flexible document? But I thought you said the constitution was pretty specific.
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    You folks that tend to talk up socialism will find out soon enough how bankrupt that iseology is. France elected a hard core socialist who has vowed to roll back austerity measures. Im guessing you have no idea what kind of impact thats going to have on the world markets and on our monetary system. The Euro fails then dollar failsas European investors poor their money into the only safe alternative.

    The American Treasury bond. That massive influx of cash will have one major impact and its a negative one. Massive inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Does the Constitution give an individual the right to privacy? If so the circumstances where it is protected must be spelled out. If it does not then corps and the gov has the right to all of your personal secrets. It is not just black vs white, constitutional vs socialist or for that matter constitutional vs capitalist. The founding fathers wrote the document and amendments but they were human and unless we are talking divine inspiration they could not foresee every possible situation.
    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    So you would say the Constitution is a flexible document? But I thought you said the constitution was pretty specific.
    You're trying to play gotcha with the wrong guy. You're not smart enough.

    The Supreme court judges argue the costitutionality of existing laws. Like Obama care. Misguided politicians with left leaning agendas use lies, deciept and payoffs to get a bill up to a misguided President with a left leaning agenda (who happens to be a Constitutional scholar........yea right ) who then signs them into law. Those laws are challenged because someone with a brain realizes they do not meet the standards of whats in our Constitution.


    You get it? The constitution is the standars laws made expo facto are compared to.

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    You want to change the Consititution then that takes a Constitutional Convemtion.

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