Cool thanks. I'd like to get into them and talk my boss into starting to install them. Green, efficiency, or whatever it sounds like a moneymaker.
Cool thanks. I'd like to get into them and talk my boss into starting to install them. Green, efficiency, or whatever it sounds like a moneymaker.
I hate politics. We chose to market our services and avoid the use of wording like "green" specifically to avoid dealing with people who have the mindset of the OP and any possible discussion of politics.
Water source geothermal is about economics. The economics of operating costs over the life of the system. Whether the economics work for you or not depends on your geographic location and the cost to construct the exchanger.
In our are the real truth is that climate master is providing quality geothermal units to contractors for 10-15% more over standard heat pumps and if you spec high effeciency units then the cost is a wash.
That leaves only the cost of the exchanger as the up cost to the system. Hdpe pipe is gauranteed for 50 years minimum so the if loops are chosen for the exchanger, that purchase will last for the life of the home, or beyond.
The biggest benefit is that you will be heating and cooling your home efficiently at a lower cost than fossil fuel. My problem with all fossil fuels is that they are a traded commodity, the traders set the the price based on real or assumed demand. The distributors then can charge whatever the market will bear.
Unless we are talking about California, most electric rates are controlled by a regulated body within the state. That means price control by an oversight commission that sets the level of profit allowed to be made by something the average household can not do without. All that equals long term price stability for the energy required to run the compressor to make heat or cooling.
We also avoid any pay back, pay for itself marketing. Geo is a choice and it is not for everyone. What is true is that everyone in this day and time expects to heat and cool their home, how they choose to do it will effect the homes operateing budget for the life of the equipment.
Now the rebate from uncle sam. In most regions of the country the cost to construct the exchanger for a geothermal system is 30% or less of the total cost of the project. That is why the rebate is 30%. It was meant to encourage people to make an energy effecient choice to heat and cool. In our area the cost to construct vertical loops is about 15% of total cost of project so that leaves you with more than adequate incentive to level the playing field.
Eric
This is nuts. Are you saying that just because we now rely on oil and gas for much of our energy we should not bother with options? I guess you want to live in a little world where things don't change. Good luck finding it.
Geo, like a furnace or boiler is a choice people make, some because there is no gas around, some because they want a lower carbon footprint. It doesn't matter why, it is their choice.
Any company who advertises their product as GREEN is free to do so as long as they aren't throwing BS at people. Costs to run the HPs have been shown and they are correct and since you live in Texas, look at the cooling SEER rates. Your furnace cant beat that.
How long do they last? I know a guy who has been using his old Westinghouse air source HP for 30 years and it is still going strong. Annual COP is still around 2.8....... IN TORONTO
Commtech I see the world much as you do, to say the least I am not a P.C. person. I have another reason to cut back on energy. Our country is at war and we are paying for people that want to kill us. I don't want to be a part of that. I put in geo 3 years ago and it cut my total electric bill by over 30%. my wife and I bought 2 Prius cars and we get 54 miles to the gallon and it is the best car I have owned. As for being green that is not for me, I think God made me and he loves me. Somethings he lets me control and others he is in charge of like the temperature on earth or the sea level. This planet will last as long as he wants it to and it will give us all we need to live on. Just a few years ago we thought we were running out of fuel now we know that in the US we have 100 years of natural gas and oil in the ground. We just need a president that will let us get it.
About this thread:
UP TO DATE more so:
It is older I know, but since readers review this blog, I ask:
Do you want Heat-Recovery of 100% HW in the Cooling mode, loops and wells off line? at the 20 minute for 80 gal tank recoveries LIKE OIL HW but at a 60-80% savings? "series flow refrigeration", "fullsized desuperheating, and HW production 100% instantly on-Demand"
Pool heating while A/C?
Just ask AQUACAL, St Pete/ and Addison, how their "southern mktg" is booming, as they have also moved North for your reasoning ADDED to their Southern Successes.
If you know a company made DUAL Priority with 100% heat recovery in Cooling as well as in separate Pool heating and F-Air Cooling, and Heating ... all in one,
and
had wireless 4 zone controllers since the 1990's OEM built in, could you see how ALL considered, a VERY FAST ROI or LOWEST FIRST COST WITH 30% tax credit on all attached components GT HW to HVAC , etc... all accounted.. ?>?
That is why the SOUTH is screaming for GTHVAC-PriorityHW and Double Priority, or others using an additional W:W system (separate 2nd unit) for even simpler application.
Design with FULL HW in mind.
Process cooling: NO COMPRESSORS- just simply Earth-Coupled since 1996
... still needs to be hybridized with Earth-loop GTX for energy transfer/ chillin' /or thawin'
Perhaps you need a 22f Chiller/HW-Heat-Reclaim: buy a GEO-T Heat Pump (GTHP with Heat-Recovery)
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...mal_heat_pumps
http://www.hydro-temp.com/products.html and Bosch/Carrier/WF DHW while Cooling/Chilling
hi mike:
the wish is with accountable practises, I am sure, as a believer- steward ship is a given , if being practiced as instructed...
the disassociation with general "green" has little to do with stewardship.
I just posted again on this old line because as you know too: ask how the HW is being COMPLETELY considered with any Solar, Gt-Hvac-Priority , Double Priority, to get to all the loads that utilities choke us about.
Process cooling: NO COMPRESSORS- just simply Earth-Coupled since 1996
... still needs to be hybridized with Earth-loop GTX for energy transfer/ chillin' /or thawin'
Perhaps you need a 22f Chiller/HW-Heat-Reclaim: buy a GEO-T Heat Pump (GTHP with Heat-Recovery)
http://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?...mal_heat_pumps
http://www.hydro-temp.com/products.html and Bosch/Carrier/WF DHW while Cooling/Chilling