ReplyThe soothing sound of crickets....NEBB's exclusionary practices will make you a lonesome lonely guy.Originally Posted by BDervishian
Good luck on the exam.
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My company has recently signed me up for the NEBB TAB Technician test but I need a refreshment course. I learn better when I interact with people so learning out of the book is hard for me to teach myself.
Also, if any is in San Diego area and wants to study I'm definetly interested.
All support helps... Thanks
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The soothing sound of crickets....NEBB's exclusionary practices will make you a lonesome lonely guy.
Good luck on the exam.
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Hi btuhack,
Why do you feel that NEBB is exclusionary?
"NEBB's exclusionary practices will make you a lonesome lonely guy."
All they want is for a candidate to pass some tests, that are not easy.
They want their membership to deliver a quality product to their customer's.
I am trying to understand, and yes I am NEBB certified in TAB and Building System Commissioning.
Allen
UA Local 602
A man who says that he can't learn anything in a class is exactly right.
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Allen,
Did they provide you with the exact formulas you needed to pass. I'm kind of skittish knowing I have to wait 6 months if I fail. Any tips
Thanks
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A union guy asking a non/ex union guy that is like a rich kid asking his parents why poor kids elect to go to bed hungry.
The testing process and ability to pass are moot points without union affiliation. Apps get lost and phone calls aren't returned. I chose my path with very few regrets... Enjoy your protection, your paying for it.
The meager offering of associate status came along a few years back, politically brilliant if you ask me...no working credentials for the member to benefit from but something to parade in front of elected officials and tax collectors to rubberstamp as " fair and open practices".
No ill will towards you, enjoy your success.
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Hi btuhack,
In our chapter we have NEBB certified firms that are not union, and those firms have members that are represented on our different chapter committees, ie technical and educational. One of the members of a non-union firms sits on the board of directors of the national organization, and will be the president of the national organization in a couple of years.
It has nothing to do with union affiliation.
"The testing process and ability to pass are moot points without union affiliation."
We have a union guy and a non-union that teach our TAB technicians seminar together. The subject of union and non-union does not come up during our chapter meetings.
Good luck to you.
Allen
UA Local 602
A man who says that he can't learn anything in a class is exactly right.
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Hi BDervishian,
I had learned the different formulas through the years doing my job. Knowing those formulas helped me to do my job as a serviceman.
There is a good book available from the Association of Energy Engineers, "Testing and Balancing HVAC Air and Water Systems." The book has all of the formulas that are needed, but more importantly the processes of balancing the systems. http://www.aeeprograms.com/store/det...&category_id=6
To take a NEBB test or purchase NEBB publications you must work for a NEBB certified firm. I guess that is why btuhack feels that NEBB has exclusionary practices. If you want to get into TAB, you will want to find a NEBB firm in your area to go to work for. You can go to NEBB's website, www.nebb.org, there is a directory there that you can locate firms in your area.
Good Luck,
Allen
UA Local 602
A man who says that he can't learn anything in a class is exactly right.
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I plan on taking the NEBB exam for water and air balancing and I wanted to know if anyone knows about a practice exam that I can take or if there is study guide out there I can view. thank you
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Just to clarify, I am certified TABB and Union but I bought NEBB's manual from a store that specializes in books like codes etc. No problem.
On of the best chapters deals with estimating all sorts of systems.
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The NEBB TAB test isn't really that difficult if you have enough reference data to find information like friction losses. When I took it the first segment was closed book. They gave you a paper with all formulas needed for that segment. The test was multiple choice but had six questions that didn't have a correct choice included. Show your calculations and that will not be a problem. The NEBB book is Environmental Systems Technology by Bevirt. It is a good book but the unions also have good books on the subject as well as ASHRAE. NEBB has a yearly seminar at NEBB University that is a course intended to help those that want to take the test. The biggest problem with getting NEBB certified is the years of experience required unless you have an engineering degree.
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Do your company do fluid balancing too or just air?
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Thank you
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Both
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A few years back NEBB allowed certification in air only. You can no longer be certified in air only. A lot of sheet metal guys fear water balance & testing. It is nothing to fear if that is your concern. The fundamentals are similar but you do have to remember that water is considered non-compressible and has a lot more weight.
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Really my concern is what to study there is a lot of information to study from I just want to narrow it down
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NEBB does have correspondence courses and practice exams. Check out their web site. One thing they were big on when I took the test was calculating air and water design and actual system curves. On water systems you should also know how to tell if a system has enough water in it and if it has too much air in it. They also had questions on air and water friction losses.
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I couldn't find any on their website, I'm new to this field so I don't know yet how to tell if a system has to much air or water
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Is TAB only repped by SMW union?
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NEBB requires 10 years experience before you can take the test unless you have an engineering degree then you have to have two years. If you are new to the field you have plenty of time but if you are sheet metal union you can go the TABB route. They have a good book that I think covers everything you need to learn. They have a short course but at the risk of irritating fellow members their course is just a starter. If I were you I would go the TABB route and then NEBB. If you are good at TAB you have job security and much of the work is out of the bad weather.
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They also have a certification for NEBB technician which only requires two years
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