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  1. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_Worthington View Post
    Well said
    Ditto, the press and liberals in general are trying to wussify Americans into a nanny state where we are not able to protect our property or ourselves unless we are half killed already.

    We do not have nor can we afford a cop on every corner and in every store and now they don't want us to defend our property or ourselves either and only the "police" are allowed to do that if and when they are there. This idea also that you can't defend your property with deadly force is also relatively new.

    It started with the riots in the 60's. I remember the Watts riots on TV were the police and some store owners were trying to stop to stop the thieves from looting the stores. They were shooting the looters and this was caught on camera. The press made a big deal about using deadly force and so did the Democrats.

    Then all of a sudden you couldn't protect your property any more with deadly force. What a loss in our rights as law biding Americans. Kill the looters I say. Why should they be allowed to destroy a persons life by stealing all his possessions. This has always ticked me off to no end. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    If it is against the law to observe suspects so you can more accurately report their location to the cops we're in real trouble but that is what they want. The creeps in power do not want us to be able to defend ourselves, which includes intelligence about where the possible enemies are, what they are doing, etc.

    What if Travon was indeed set on committing a crime such as a break-in and Zim. had not alerted the cops? The kid enters a home, gets into an altercation and some innocent gets hurt or killed. Word gets out Zim. saw the kid but failed to report his whereabouts so he gets villified and carries the death/ injury of a neighbor on his conscience. Why is it Zim.s fault he got out of his car legally and was walking legally on restricted property with the knowledge and blessings of the HOA to the point he had already assisted in at least three other suspects in a community that was seeing a rise in crime? He was doing what he was authorized by the HOA to do in being there and reporting to the cops. Now you're going to tell me once he sees a suspect he MUST remain in his car and leave? Are you people serious? I'm glad you're not watching my neighborhood.

    You need to look at this case from the 40,000 foot view. What is the media, as lead by this Administration, trying to achieve? Social unrest, disorder, chaos, breakdown of law and order.

    Starting fights is assault and battery, which is a criminal offense. Self defense is not. As Ted Nugent once said, he doesn't need a document to tell him he has the God given right to defend himself. This case is somewhat interesteing--the national fallout is the real show and how the media was so quick and willing to lie, cheat, obfuscate facts, distort truths and push an agenda instead of just reporting the news.
    this is an excellent article on the Stand Your ground law:

    http://www.ammoland.com/2012/04/19/s...#axzz1smVFJVPM

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickboggs View Post
    Bad situation. I bet it went something like this. Zimmerman was watching the neighborhood and spotted Martin. Martin spotted Zimmerman and thought he was being stocked by Zimmerman who was up to no good. Martin, being the big bad football player, sized up Zimmerman and felt he could take him.... Martin confronted and began to give Zimmerman a whipping. Both guys thought the other was a criminal.... both guys needed to leave.
    That is also how I had figured it.

    The alternate being that zimmerman felt 'extreme authority' and started contact by grabbing or trying to detain martin by physically blocking martin's path. That would make zimmerman at fault, but seems the less likely scenario by far.
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    Zimmerman is the cause of the whole altercation.

    You don't get to pursue someone and then claim self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infwsdm View Post
    Zimmerman is the cause of the whole altercation.

    You don't get to pursue someone and then claim self defense.
    great, another guy that hasn't paid attention. Before you comment further, you should go back and read the 911 tape, the witness comments and now even the Police ADMIT they have no idea who started the ultimate confrontation.

    So do everyone a favor and go back and re-read the entire case
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    great, another guy that hasn't paid attention. Before you comment further, you should go back and read the 911 tape, the witness comments and now even the Police ADMIT they have no idea who started the ultimate confrontation.

    So do everyone a favor and go back and re-read the entire case
    Great another idiot who does not understand that zimmerman STARTED the whole thing.

    Do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infwsdm View Post
    Great another idiot who does not understand that zimmerman STARTED the whole thing.

    Do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ass.
    There you go another liberal calling names and insulting posters here which is totally against the rules. You boys can't read or do the rules not apply to you since you are right and the rest of us are wrong.

    Typical arrogant liberal attitude. Zimmerman had every right to get out of his car and ask a civil question as to what was going on rather or not he had the opportunity to. You my friend need to go live in a commie police state where government is all power and you are not responsible for anything. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    There you go another liberal calling names and insulting posters here which is totally against the rules. You boys can't read or do the rules not apply to you since you are right and the rest of us are wrong.

    Typical arrogant liberal attitude. Zimmerman had every right to get out of his car and ask a civil question as to what was going on rather or not he had the opportunity to. You my friend need to go live in a commie police state where government is all power and you are not responsible for anything. Thank you, thank you very much
    Yes zimmerman had a right to get out of his car....yes...zimmerman even had a right to confront trevor....... but then...trevor...being scared of this man following had every right to defend himself.

    Hopefully the police down there in sanford at least made an attempt to collect some evidence..... Id be cutting that sidewalk up......blood will remain in that concrete for years.....if it were ever there....

    Looks like we got two different opinions in this thread as to who is to blame.... which is fine...... but it is you guys defending zimmerman who seem to be the ones resulting to insults and name calling.

    You moved from tennessee to georgia glenn.... you have no right to be accusing anyone of anything.....

    I mean seriously...... from tennessee to georgia....

    wonder what you ran from........lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by infwsdm View Post
    Great another idiot who does not understand that zimmerman STARTED the whole thing.

    Do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ass.
    infwsdm,

    You are in violation of the Pro Member Rule

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    You have 24 hours to issue an apology or you will receive a 30 day ban.

    Everyone else take note. Enough is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by infwsdm View Post
    Great another idiot who does not understand that zimmerman STARTED the whole thing.

    Do yourself a favor and pull your head out of your ass.

    Case in point!...see post 48.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post

    Typical arrogant liberal attitude. Zimmerman had every right to get out of his car and ask a civil question as to what was going on rather or not he had the opportunity to. You my friend need to go live in a commie police state where government is all power and you are not responsible for anything. Thank you, thank you very much
    Does it have to always be labeled? Is everyone who is a "liberal" in favor of Martin? And is everyone who is a "conservative" in favor of Zimmerman? Why not just be in favor of the truth? I would hope people could acutally be able to think for themselves. I'm still reserving judgment until I at least get to hear all the available "facts".

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Does it have to always be labeled? Is everyone who is a "liberal" in favor of Martin? And is everyone who is a "conservative" in favor of Zimmerman? Why not just be in favor of the truth? I would hope people could acutally be able to think for themselves. I'm still reserving judgment until I at least get to hear all the available "facts".
    I would agree with this, But I think there is "reasonable doubt" about a Murder2 charge. (why the DA brought this charge is still a mystery to me. It should be manslaughter because the burden of proof is less)

    especially if the police detective involved clearly stated on the stand that he (the police) have no idea who started the encounter.

    Thats pretty damaging to the prosecutors case. Zimmerman didn't help himself out either with his "apology" the Martin family.
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