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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    I have no problem diversifying a large corporation to make it more efficient or for a policy reason eg: why are we making toasters when we are a plywood maker.

    This guy and Carl Icon see an opportunity to make big bucks FOR THEMSELVES and very often they are the only beneficiary.
    I don't understand your complaint. Do you not like the fact that Americans can take advantage of circumstances in order to better themselves? Or is it just the degree of bettering themselves?

    In any transaction, people are put to work and the economy benefits. If someone is making lots of money by tearing apart an overbloated corporation and selling it off in pieces, then who ever is buying the pieces is creating more opportunity for more work.

    You seem to have a grudge against those who have an ability to prosper from the American dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    That's not totally true, capitalism is being manipulated by the Insurance industry
    More circular argumentation. Insurance companies are only allowed to manipulate capitalism because of government interference with the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    More circular argumentation. Insurance companies are only allowed to manipulate capitalism because of government interference with the system.
    More BS from the peanut gallery, insurance has been around longer than the government

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    More BS from the peanut gallery, insurance has been around longer than the government
    It has nothing to do with which has been around longer. It has to do with the way they are working with one another to screw over the people. Without government intervention, insurance companies could not be as powerful as they are.

    What do you think would happen to the cost of preventive maintenance for HVAC systems if government required us all to have a policy?
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    Health insurance used to be for the most part unregulated. Were talking back to the 50's. Companies could give you what ever insurance policy they wanted or not offer one to you.

    Insurance companies could also set the rates based on every measurable factor they could find pertaining to where you lived, your condition, age, sex, race, past record, etc. You in turn could ask for what ever coverage you wanted or not wanted and of course shop around for the best rates. It was the same thing for auto insurance, homeowners, etc.

    That was called the free enterprise system at work. Of course all that has changed with government getting more and more into our lives. Insurance companies can still use some factors to set rates and that is mainly, age, sex and your zip code in some cases and you can't pick and choose what coverages you want and how you want it.
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    AIG is who I refer to

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Health insurance used to be for the most part unregulated. Were talking back to the 50's. Companies could give you what ever insurance policy they wanted or not offer one to you.

    Insurance companies could also set the rates based on every measurable factor they could find pertaining to where you lived, your condition, age, sex, race, past record, etc. You in turn could ask for what ever coverage you wanted or not wanted and of course shop around for the best rates. It was the same thing for auto insurance, homeowners, etc.

    That was called the free enterprise system at work. Of course all that has changed with government getting more and more into our lives. Insurance companies can still use some factors to set rates and that is mainly, age, sex and your zip code in some cases and you can't pick and choose what coverages you want and how you want it.
    You are talking of the golden period of modern times for the western world, where wealth was manufactured via production "basically man power", Where a natural balance of wealth distribution occurred. However for what ever reason, focus has shifted to "share value" and fiscal tricky that goes with method of accounting.
    Even though you may wish for the past, you can not! This time has gone.
    The fact is the lack of production cause a less wealthy section of society and a smaller section of much more wealthy. If this gap becomes to big then the people will revolt, and this will be left of center, only because the right supports those who have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    You are talking of the golden period of modern times for the western world, where wealth was manufactured via production "basically man power", Where a natural balance of wealth distribution occurred. However for what ever reason, focus has shifted to "share value" and fiscal tricky that goes with method of accounting.
    Even though you may wish for the past, you can not! This time has gone.
    The fact is the lack of production cause a less wealthy section of society and a smaller section of much more wealthy. If this gap becomes to big then the people will revolt, and this will be left of center, only because the right supports those who have.
    Life was a lot more simpler back then and more fairer in my opinion. Insurance was a good example of the free enterprise system and yes I agree short of a revolution we can never go back. Income IMO was more evenly distributed back in the 50's. No billionaires to speak of and not to many millionaires. Thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Life was a lot more simpler back then and more fairer in my opinion. Insurance was a good example of the free enterprise system and yes I agree short of a revolution we can never go back. Income IMO was more evenly distributed back in the 50's. No billionaires to speak of and not to many millionaires. Thank you very much
    Why do you insist on mourning over the past? Nostalgia is nice once in a while, but damn, Glenn, you're one of the only factors I can point to for proof that in some instances there is no evolutionary process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Why do you insist on mourning over the past? Nostalgia is nice once in a while, but damn, Glenn, you're one of the only factors I can point to for proof that in some instances there is no evolutionary process.
    Nothing wrong with stating the good from the past. We had a lot less government both federal and state in our lives back then. Morals were a lot higher and crime rate was truly a lot lower in every part of our society.

    Guess you though were on the vanguard of the movement to "change" all that. You know the hippie movement and all. So I'll happily remember the past and you can relish how you helped change it. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Why do you insist on mourning over the past? Nostalgia is nice once in a while, but damn, Glenn, you're one of the only factors I can point to for proof that in some instances there is no evolutionary process.
    It's a pretty well documented phenomenon. We all do it to some extent or another.

    http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/vie...916-chapter-16

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Nothing wrong with stating the good from the past. We had a lot less government both federal and state in our lives back then. Morals were a lot higher and crime rate was truly a lot lower in every part of our society.

    Guess you though were on the vanguard of the movement to "change" all that. You know the hippie movement and all. So I'll happily remember the past and you can relish how you helped change it. Thank you, thank you very much
    Glenn, until the past couple of years, the 1950's were the worst years for growth in government. labor unions were at their highest numbers and FDR's socialist programs had just got a foothold. Everything that is bad about government today comes from what happened in the 1950s.

    Yes, you were allowed to be more of a racist back then, but that is not a good thing for most Americans, just to a relatively few who think they are better then others because of their ethnic background.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    It's a pretty well documented phenomenon. We all do it to some extent or another.

    http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/vie...916-chapter-16
    Oh, I agree that nostalgia is common. I will never feel like music today is anywhere near as good as music from my youth. But damn....we need to also get with the program rather then only dwelling on the so called good ole days.

    Everything in my past was better then what it is today, but we don't live in the past.
    Government is a disease...
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