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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Diversifying a large corporation that is destined to die under it's own weight "IS" capitalism. A lot better to sell off the valuable portions of a dying corporation then to pump bailout money stolen from the public into that corporation just so you can pay back labor unions who supported you.
    I have no problem diversifying a large corporation to make it more efficient or for a policy reason eg: why are we making toasters when we are a plywood maker.

    This guy and Carl Icon see an opportunity to make big bucks FOR THEMSELVES and very often they are the only beneficiary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    Heartless is anyone who would leave their dog behind when they make a 10 hour drive.

    Money is CAPITAL. Some make money, some lose money.
    Both acts with the dog are heartless but the roof rack is worse. At least he could find someone to take care of the dog back home.

    Money is CAPITAL, yes it is, but it takes a community to make it for you and to keep the country stable and if you are only focused on the money and not all the other things, including a social contract, you are not worth s**t in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Does a lion killing and eating a zebra cause you to say that nature is cruel and worthy of your hatred?

    I'm not saying that I'd like to be the zebra in that example, but that doesn't make the process worthy of my hatred.

    Capitalism was modeled after natural selection for one simple, powerful reason- it works. In fact, it works really, really well. If a company isn't strong enough to survive, it is eaten. Does it suck if you work for such a company? Yes. Can you get a new job? Yes.

    If you put a stop to natural selection what you get is inbreeding, pestilence and the collapse of entire ecosystems. A.K.A. Communism.
    In that case, make all pensions transferable and give people a break on mortgages while they have to retrain at a new job.

    And if not, do as some want and get rid of ALL government and see what real natural selection is all about. You won't like it. We have a bigger brain for a reason.....

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    Well, I think it's ok to point out the weaknesses of the system.

    And, when you get right down to it, survival of the fittest is not very nice.

    But it also occurs to me that communists and socialists make choices on that basis.

    What's nice. Instead of what works.
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    We are supposed to be smarter than the other animals and learn from our mistakes AND be more community oriented. Oddly enough, we humans are supposed to need each other, so they say...

    That said, I believe we should no idolize and one system so if we see some weakness in the system, change it. Allow for capitalism to work the way most people think it should and so people can take advantage of it and not be shut out by the big boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Both acts with the dog are heartless but the roof rack is worse. At least he could find someone to take care of the dog back home.

    Money is CAPITAL, yes it is, but it takes a community to make it for you and to keep the country stable and if you are only focused on the money and not all the other things, including a social contract, you are not worth s**t in my book.
    community-commune-communist

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    We are supposed to be smarter than the other animals and learn from our mistakes AND be more community oriented. Oddly enough, we humans are supposed to need each other, so they say...

    That said, I believe we should no idolize and one system so if we see some weakness in the system, change it. Allow for capitalism to work the way most people think it should and so people can take advantage of it and not be shut out by the big boys.
    Indeed. And if we ARE as such; community oriented, then we should give of ourselves to the community. It does not mean that the government should take our money and redistribute it to causes that THEY like.
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    Well, I think it's ok to point out the weaknesses of the system.

    And, when you get right down to it, survival of the fittest is not very nice.

    But it also occurs to me that communists and socialists make choices on that basis.

    What's nice. Instead of what works.
    You think that communists and socialists make decisions based on whats nice instead of what works?

    You have got to be kidding right?

    If your not, then you are one seriously deranged individual.
    "The road to Hell is paved with progressive policies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    You think that communists and socialists make decisions based on whats nice instead of what works?

    You have got to be kidding right?

    If your not, then you are one seriously deranged individual.
    Not exactly.

    What I am saying is that what sounds good on paper is often not practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    Not exactly.

    What I am saying is that what sounds good on paper is often not practical.
    Okay, you're speaking theoretically.

    Theoretically, lots of things look good but don't work in practice...ie: communism.

    Of all the systems man has come up with, I believe ours to be the best. It has its flaws no doubt...just like mankind.
    As Robo has pointed out before, Capitalism can cleanse itself if allowed to...and as it was intended to do so.
    "The road to Hell is paved with progressive policies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Okay, you're speaking theoretically.

    Theoretically, lots of things look good but don't work in practice...ie: communism.

    Of all the systems man has come up with, I believe ours to be the best. It has its flaws no doubt...just like mankind.
    As Robo has pointed out before, Capitalism can cleanse itself if allowed to...and as it was intended to do so.
    That's not totally true, capitalism is being manipulated by the Insurance industry

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    That's not totally true, capitalism is being manipulated by the Insurance industry
    I know, and thats not all its being manipulated by. We have failed as a people to police our system...our government, and have become complacent.

    We have no one to blame but our selves for letting our system become corrupt. ..we are the police that police the police.
    "The road to Hell is paved with progressive policies."

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Okay, you're speaking theoretically.

    Theoretically, lots of things look good but don't work in practice...ie: communism.
    Correct.

    However, it can also be said that the whole idea of socialism and communism (or the theory of it if you will) has a chilling effect on society. So, on paper some of it can sound good, but if you think about it a little bit its fatal flaws aren't hard to discover.

    Man needs motivation to be the best. If he doesn't get it, then things even off from an intellectual standpoint. No one stands out, just a bunch of lemmings.

    Without leaders, without example setters, without heroes, we are significantly weakened on many fronts.
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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