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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    You like Romney???????

    This is a man who will rip apart a working company, sell off or close the bits, lay off 1000s, all to make himself $100million. He embodies both what we hate most in capitalism and a very few love.

    Besides, anyone who straps his dog on the roof of his car for a 10 hour drive is heartless.
    Diversifying a large corporation that is destined to die under it's own weight "IS" capitalism. A lot better to sell off the valuable portions of a dying corporation then to pump bailout money stolen from the public into that corporation just so you can pay back labor unions who supported you.
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    Heartless is anyone who would leave their dog behind when they make a 10 hour drive.

    Money is CAPITAL. Some make money, some lose money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    LOL! I'd love to see someone like you go up against someone like Allen West in a battle of who has the most guts to stand up to someone.....

    Maybe, if you're real nice, Mr. West won't shove your head into a 55 gallon drum and discharge his 9mm into the drum, like he got into trouble for doing in Afghanistan.

    It is really humorous when people like you try to act all tough.
    Just stating the facts - he won't name names because he's got nothing. The chances of him or I running into each other are slim so I don't think either of us need to be concerned about your fantasy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    You like Romney???????

    This is a man who will rip apart a working company, sell off or close the bits, lay off 1000s, all to make himself $100million. He embodies both what we hate most in capitalism and a very few love.
    Does a lion killing and eating a zebra cause you to say that nature is cruel and worthy of your hatred?

    I'm not saying that I'd like to be the zebra in that example, but that doesn't make the process worthy of my hatred.

    Capitalism was modeled after natural selection for one simple, powerful reason- it works. In fact, it works really, really well. If a company isn't strong enough to survive, it is eaten. Does it suck if you work for such a company? Yes. Can you get a new job? Yes.

    If you put a stop to natural selection what you get is inbreeding, pestilence and the collapse of entire ecosystems. A.K.A. Communism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Does a lion killing and eating a zebra cause you to say that nature is cruel and worthy of your hatred?

    I'm not saying that I'd like to be the zebra in that example, but that doesn't make the process worthy of my hatred.

    Capitalism was modeled after natural selection for one simple, powerful reason- it works. In fact, it works really, really well. If a company isn't strong enough to survive, it is eaten. Does it suck if you work for such a company? Yes. Can you get a new job? Yes.

    If you put a stop to natural selection what you get is inbreeding, pestilence and the collapse of entire ecosystems. A.K.A. Communism.
    That's some heavy stuff right there

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    Just stating the facts - he won't name names because he's got nothing. The chances of him or I running into each other are slim so I don't think either of us need to be concerned about your fantasy.
    You did fine.

    Robo completely ducked your refutation of his whine of being taken out of context.

    We do wonder about Robo's three paragraphs of manlove for how butch West is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    You did fine.

    Robo completely ducked your refutation of his whine of being taken out of context.

    We do wonder about Robo's three paragraphs of manlove for how butch West is.
    Don't start with your jealousy again, geer. I've already told you that no matter what you are, you are not my type.

    And West is manly, not butch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Don't start with your jealousy again, geer. I've already told you that no matter what you are, you are not my type.

    And West is manly, not butch.
    Not me slobbering manlove all over your butch fantasy man.



    So, when will you address your "out of context" whine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Does a lion killing and eating a zebra cause you to say that nature is cruel and worthy of your hatred?

    I'm not saying that I'd like to be the zebra in that example, but that doesn't make the process worthy of my hatred.

    Capitalism was modeled after natural selection for one simple, powerful reason- it works. In fact, it works really, really well. If a company isn't strong enough to survive, it is eaten. Does it suck if you work for such a company? Yes. Can you get a new job? Yes.

    If you put a stop to natural selection what you get is inbreeding, pestilence and the collapse of entire ecosystems. A.K.A. Communism.
    capitalism works? News to me.
    I would suggest it is better than other systems, and in its pure form it isnt a system at all. On larger scale it becomes a systems and becomes something that is not pure capitalism. Pure capitalism only exists in singularity transaction. On a larger scale one would question if you can prove capitalism does work, as it is is not pure capitalism.
    Capitalism itself is constrained and managed by governmental and social restrictions which both harness it and protect it. To keep the fire from becoming out of control, while keeping the flame active and from being extinguished. It is limited, formed, combined with socialist forms to become a useful tool. However that is not pure capitalism, but a hedgemony of isms. Capitalism requires a profit, as it is not based on the barter system but on a system of increasing value. Requiring growth in some form in a constrained environment. Many can and do argue the capitalism is itself a failed premise, and proven to be through its need of government and social controls. Others also argue capitalism is itself a mathematical failure leading to absolute power in its end, requiring government control so the wealth does not flow to a finality of the one at the top. how can the system operate, when the successfuly competitor gains all the wealth which strips the system ? The transfer of power eventually leads to a corrupted market, not a free market of equal competition.
    Just saying, it has its issues.

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    Capitalism is based on incentives. Brutal though it may be, the next-to-last zebra had a pretty big incentive to outrun the other zebra.

    Remove incentives and you've got communism. And why did communism fail? Because the average joe had no reason to try to do the extraordinary. If you end capitalism, which means eliminating the incentive system- you are left with discord, apathy and societal collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Capitalism is based on incentives. Brutal though it may be, the next-to-last zebra had a pretty big incentive to outrun the other zebra.

    Remove incentives and you've got communism. And why did communism fail? Because the average joe had no reason to try to do the extraordinary. If you end capitalism, which means eliminating the incentive system- you are left with discord, apathy and societal collapse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Capitalism is based on incentives. Brutal though it may be, the next-to-last zebra had a pretty big incentive to outrun the other zebra.

    Remove incentives and you've got communism. And why did communism fail? Because the average joe had no reason to try to do the extraordinary. If you end capitalism, which means eliminating the incentive system- you are left with discord, apathy and societal collapse.
    Is there really zero incentive in communist countries? Does a street cleaner for instance make the same money as a Doctor? I dont know, so I'm asking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newoldtech View Post
    Is there really zero incentive in communist countries? Does a street cleaner for instance make the same money as a Doctor? I dont know, so I'm asking?
    When I was in Havana, one of our cabbies was a doctor. He told us that no matter what your profession was in Cuba, if you weren't working with the tourist's in some capacity for conversion pesos, you weren't going to be living a reasonable life.

    Since Cuban's can't spend conversion pesos (you need to show your passport to use conversion pesos), they must pay the government banks 50% of what they earn on the black market (capitalism) to have the conversion pesos exchanged for Cuban pesos.
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