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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    Huh? Let's not make such wild accusations without baking them up.

    Homeland Security is nothing more than the German Brown Shirt's of past, an agency disguised to protect, but ultimately to suppress and control Americans that would rise up and take back the country they love and want to preserve as guaranteed under the barely breathing Constitution.
    what he said
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbharvey View Post
    Just curious, are all federal law enforcement organizations now shooting .40 caliber handguns ?

    Seems a shame that a US Marshall gets to carry .40 hollow points and our soldiers carry 9 mm round nose. I understand all the NATO stuff, but still...
    the reason for the 9mm isn't fire power, it's weight. The military is stressing accuracy over power factor, especially for special forces like the Seal teams
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    ...a hollow point is lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbharvey View Post
    ...a hollow point is lighter.
    not necessarily, a 40cal 160gr FMJ weigh the same as a 160gr Hollow point


    oddly enough
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    not necessarily, a 40cal 160gr FMJ weigh the same as a 160gr Hollow point


    oddly enough

    Weird.


    I always thought we carried 9mm because its a NATO round and solid instead of HP because of the Geneva Convention.

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    For some reason, hollow points are barred from military use... Have any of you seen the damage that you can do with a .556 at close range? It's far more destructive and lethal than any hollow point pistol round.
    The key to happiness is lower expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbharvey View Post
    Weird.


    I always thought we carried 9mm because its a NATO round and solid instead of HP because of the Geneva Convention.
    nope.

    it's simply a weight per round issue.

    actually the Geneva Convention doesn't specifically address bullet caliber or design.
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    It does not state if the .40 cal are beer can belden primers.
    FEN

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    It's actually the Hague conventions, not the Geneva that specify ball ammunition.

    The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_C...ention_of_1899


    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

    There is more to armed conflict than the Geneva Conventions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by allan38 View Post
    It's actually the Hague conventions, not the Geneva that specify ball ammunition.

    The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_C...ention_of_1899


    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

    There is more to armed conflict than the Geneva Conventions.
    Allan, I was just reading and about to post the same info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allan38 View Post
    It's actually the Hague conventions, not the Geneva that specify ball ammunition.

    The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_C...ention_of_1899


    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp

    There is more to armed conflict than the Geneva Conventions.

    see, I knew it wasn't the Geneva convention
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    Hague convention, Geneva convention, ACCA convention, whatever...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbharvey View Post
    Hague convention, Geneva convention, ACCA convention, whatever...lol
    ACCA????? BWAHAHAHA, that must be the chemical weapons part on huffing LOL
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