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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalieri85 View Post
    John I'm really struggling.to understand.you right now. It seems like you think all techs are out to screw you. Do you believe that its not possible for a employer to be bad? Yes there are bad employees. But what about the good ones? What about when a good tech is treated poorly. That means he how's to work on time every day. Has great profit margins and little to no callbacks. Do they deserve poor treatment.
    Where did I say that all techs are out to screw me? I didn't say that at all.

    Techs who shows up every day, on time, ready to work....with high margins and few callbacks rarely move. I know. I've tried to pry a few loose from competitors over the years.

    If they are all the things you state, then there is rarely conflict between the employer and employee.

    Are there bad employers? I'd suppose so. But I have a hard time believing that an employer would abuse an employee that meets your stated criteria.

    He would be a fool.
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    The employee, even before he is hired, must exercise a thing called discernment about himself and any prospective employer.

    If he is out to learn, to serve, and to grow, along with getting a paycheck, then he will be happy and go far. If he chooses his prospective employer well, then there is twice the chance he will do well. Good employers rarely have openings. The guys who always need to run an ad, should be run FROM.

    Now, union or non, the percentage of the workforce that is able to rise to that challenge is well less than half, IMHO.

    The best thing you can do for yourself is to turn yourself into one of those guys who "get it."

    If you buy into the "bosses are bad, and out to rip us off," then you will never amount to anything, in any portion of your life. It's victim mentality, and it is what holds back all those guys hangin' out in the hood. They have been ripped off culturally. Herman Cain calls them brainwashed. I think that's an accurate description. Don't be one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    Where did I say that all techs are out to screw me? I didn't say that at all.

    Techs who shows up every day, on time, ready to work....with high margins and few callbacks rarely move. I know. I've tried to pry a few loose from competitors over the years.

    If they are all the things you state, then there is rarely conflict between the employer and employee.

    Are there bad employers? I'd suppose so. But I have a hard time believing that an employer would abuse an employee that meets your stated criteria.

    He would be a fool.


    I work for that very employer a fool...But i like what i do....but there are people out there busting their hump for employers that don't even give a rats azz if they stay or go....and the reasons the employees don't quit is because they may like what they are doing and are mature enough not to let the Boss get to them..or they cant get a job anywhere else.


    I agree with what your saying, I think this is not the norm but the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post

    The best thing you can do for yourself is to turn yourself into one of those guys who "get it."
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    Tehe....he "gets it"

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Markl View Post
    I've lived it....you're living in a fantasyworld.
    yeah! you were a proud member of the meatpackers union, bet you had the sharpest knife,sliced the best steak, ran the meat grinder on high speed etc... a model employee but the evil union bosses kept you down
    you are the one living in fantasy trying to relate your "union" experience to the way construction trades unions operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    yeah! you were a proud member of the meatpackers union, bet you had the sharpest knife,sliced the best steak, ran the meat grinder on high speed etc... a model employee but the evil union bosses kept you down
    you are the one living in fantasy trying to relate your "union" experience to the way construction trades unions operate.
    Actually, the problem was that I was NOT allowed to use a knife, a saw, or a slicer, because I was classified as a "clerk" instead of a "cutter"....nevermind the fact that I was fully capable of doing the work, having come from a non-union store.

    My job was "part-time" based on market sales....but I was also prohibited by union rules, from additionally taking on the available part-time job in the produce department in order to round out a 40 hour week.

    I also dealt with police and fire unions as an elected official. Things got so bad, that we led a successful petition and election to repeal their right to collectively bargain back in '96.

    I've also dealt with construction unions.....stories that I've posted elsewhere.

    So, spare me your union garbage....I've dealt with unions most of my adult life from just about every angle possible....

    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    Seems like this is a losing battle. Bottom line is good employers get good techs and keep them and bad ones can't. If you find yourself with high turnover look inwards at your operation. I'm not gonna get in a pissing match here so I'm done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dlove View Post
    I work for that very employer a fool...But i like what i do....but there are people out there busting their hump for employers that don't even give a rats azz if they stay or go....and the reasons the employees don't quit is because they may like what they are doing and are mature enough not to let the Boss get to them..or they cant get a job anywhere else.


    I agree with what your saying, I think this is not the norm but the exception.
    Or they're too anxious to change companies.

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    I will say that I've never seen the union I'm in prohibit an employer from getting rid of the dead weight. Those guys get a reputation and keep the bench warm. I have seen crap techs stay at the same shop because they have an influential family member with the same company. But that was the shop's choice. I've never worked in any different union.

    I guess "good" or "bad" tech or company is rather subjective. I've had employers love me and hate me. I've seen techs love shops that I hated. Maybe it has a lot more to do with personalities than we think. I don't go out for beers with the boss after work but I do my best to be the absolute best tech around. I do it for myself and my family and the boss should benefit from it.

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    Amen!
    Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime.

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    Any new news

    CMS is expanding WEST and just opened a office in KC. And I ran into a manager at a RSES meeting. Just don't really know alot about them and figured I would ask here.

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    My neighbor brought one of cms's trucks home one day ....about two months later he was back at the company he left ....hmmmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by cavalieri85 View Post
    Seems like this is a losing battle. Bottom line is good employers get good techs and keep them and bad ones can't. If you find yourself with high turnover look inwards at your operation. I'm not gonna get in a pissing match here so I'm done.
    AMEN!
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