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  1. #14
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    When CMS, under the NexTech name, first expanded into El Paso our prevailing wage and Union scale wage were at $21.25/Hr. The NexTech guy said he was @ $25/Hr., not bad. Now years later were @ $29.91/Hr Union scale wage which is now above prevailing wage and the other guy is still around $25/Hr.

  2. #15
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    gripe

    well i guess you guys have a point i did learn alot about myself. and ethics are a huge part of the industry at least for some. i was told by the guy that did my training when i started that i would have to lose my consciense if i wanted to work there. if you dodnt have a problem lying to customers and selling things they dont need. if you dont keep pace and have your sales and numbers on track you will get in trouble.example: you are sent to a retail store for a pm and you are given a list of things to do change belts filters and such. also you are give a nte of say 800 dollars. you have to charge out 800 dollars in repairs even when nothing is wrong. so for my critics i thought what they were asking was morally wrong if your only concern is how much money you get than go ahead and work there. maybe you will have a diffrent experience in another part of the country.

  3. #16
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    they hire whoever they can because they cant keep people.average length of employment around here is a few months.

  4. #17
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    I disagree with you on the replacing parts things. You as a tech try to make the unit run as efficient as possible and it is a preventive maintenance and not replace what is broken. I know its sometimes hard to find anything wrong with some things but some equipment there are more things that can be changed. The employers always expect you to replace something, if they give you an $800 window then change something. taking amp draws is a big thing. Even changing a thermostat is something. or even making the wiring a little neater in the panel is something you can do for a few hrs.
    Get er Done!

    Do what has to be done
    when it has to be done
    as well as it has to be done
    And doing it all the time.

  5. #18
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    I don't know anything about CMS, but if you are in ohio, then look into Engineering Excellence. I worked as a remote tech in Chicago. I thought they were a good bunch of folks. There was no profit tracking to my knowledge. If there was, they put no pressure on me. That and finding stuff that's wrong or broken on poorly maintained HVAC equipment is a no brainer. I left out of boredom. I worked on the retail side. They had plenty of work.

    They have two sides of the business. National retail, and full service in there local offices. I would look to get in on the Full service side.

  6. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by akelesis View Post
    I disagree with you on the replacing parts things. You as a tech try to make the unit run as efficient as possible and it is a preventive maintenance and not replace what is broken. I know its sometimes hard to find anything wrong with some things but some equipment there are more things that can be changed. The employers always expect you to replace something, if they give you an $800 window then change something. taking amp draws is a big thing. Even changing a thermostat is something. or even making the wiring a little neater in the panel is something you can do for a few hrs.

    What flavor of Kool-Aid did they serve you??............I think you may have missed the point. Pressuring your Mechanics to Sell parts when none are needed for the sake of generating revenue is NOT in the best intrests of My customers. Dressing up messy wiring is noble, but generating a "PM ADD" and charging a couple hours labor to keep from being counceled about your "Numbers",,,,,REALLY??? Why not simply Don a ski mask and hold them up? It would be more ethical than gaining their trust and then stealing from them .........
    It's All about Heat.............................to a degree

  7. #20
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    Well... CMS didn't work out but I have a different problem now.

    Company A (non-union) offered me a job making substantially more than I do now and I get to work on commercial equipment (good thing). However, I would also work on quite a bit of refrigeration and kitchen equipment (not my favorite). Another pro is that they'll pay for tuition to go to community college to get many different certifications, but I pay for books. Good health, dental, vision for low premiums. I have to provide hand tools and most specialty tools.

    Company B (union) hasn't officially offered me the job yet. I spoke with the manager today and he wants to bring me in for an interview. The conversation went VERY well and I think I'll get a job offer. The problem is, he's not sure when exactly he can hire somebody, but he believes they'll hire someone in May. Same health benefits as Company A but I don't pay the premiums. The work is more in line with what I want to do. They won't send me to community college, but I will have to finish my apprenticeship (1.5 years more). I'd rather get certificates from a college than just finish my apprenticeship. In about 6 months, I'd be making around $4.50 more than Company A offered. I already have all the hand tools I need and they provide all specialty tools.

    I hope I can get the interview within the next 3 days to see how good my chances are at Company B. AAAAAGH!

  8. #21
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    union jobs are not what they seem to be. well. all jobs dont seem to be all what they seem to be. Always look for your best interest. and what ever shows their ugly head first, go for the other one. Ive made that mistake a few times already thinking it would change. If you are at a good job and you like what you are doing stay there because other companies will screw you when you least expect it.
    Get er Done!

    Do what has to be done
    when it has to be done
    as well as it has to be done
    And doing it all the time.

  9. #22
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    Well, I've only worked union HVAC jobs. Right now, though, it's a residential union shop and they have a different pay scale. Before now, I've only worked commercial. I'd rather work for a union shop in this case, but the non-union shop is still better than the residential union company.

  10. #23
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    Switching jobs should be thought about very closely. There are a lot of good companys bit also alot of bad. You won't really know until you get there. Whenever I am offered a job or interviewed unless you know the company well ask tons of questions.I have gotten myself into a bad spot twice in a row taking jobs with companies that were bad. Now I'm at a comany I love and won't leave here. All places have problems it. is about who treats you the best and gives the most job security. If u can find that I qould stay put there

  11. #24
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    I totally agree with you Cav. I didn't know much about this company, so I started calling all of my union and non-union contacts. I talked to a guy I work with that used to work for him. I even called their suppliers and asked questions. I talked to him on the phone for about an hour, interviewed for 2 hours, sent 2 different e-mails with various questions. I've done about as much research as possible on these guys and they seem pretty cool. I interviewed or had a "meeting" with two different union shops. One I would drop everything to work for and the other I would probably move to (depending on how things go with this company) and they both said I have the job, IF work picks up this summer (which most summers do). But, as it is, I only actually have one real offer available now.

    Best case scenario where I am now... I'll get maybe 20 hours a week in the winter. Worste case scenario there... I'll get layed off and my unemployment will be more than or equal to working 20 hours a week here. Mathmatically, I gotta go to pay the bills, even though I love the staff where I am. They're great people to work with. Besides, I really want to do more than residential splits.

  12. #25
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    I just heard through the grapevine that a certain fortune 500 multi-national goliath HVAC service company lost their national account with a major pharmacy chain, and that CMS picked up the bulk of it.
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

    -Thomas Jefferson

  13. #26
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    Not sure who that is.

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