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    Quote Originally Posted by spinning wheel View Post
    That has nothing to do with the wye delta starter. I believe that you like to hear yourself type at times. Try not to overthink life so much.
    REALLY???

    'what' has nothing to do with wye-delta starters? the previous formulas? that would be correct.

    the correct formula for inrush current on ac induction motors includes: magnetizing resistance, magnetizing reactance, motor winding resistance, motor winding reactance, rotor resistance and rotor reactance and of course voltage.

    try not to overthink life too much, eh? yeah, i suppose that i could be all wishy-washy about physics...since that's how it works.

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    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

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    yes ie is a reduced voltage starter

    with respect to the windings. The applied source voltage is the same but in the y configuration there are two windings in series with each phase of the source which cuts the voltage per winding in half which should cut the power to 1/4. but I do not remember how the math works out in reality and I'm not going to look it up again. Thanks for all the replies , guys. And girls if any of you are girls. (Not meaning you guys are girls)

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    ,!!!!MEH!!!!,!,!

    #1
    Wye delta uses at least 3, and sometimes 4 contactors, depending on if it's open or closed transition. It's not a reduced voltage starter. It's a full voltage, reduced inrush type of starter.

    #2
    The wye-delta starter has no means of reducing the voltage at the motor terminals. However, the effect on the motor is the same as reduced voltage because in wye, the motor only sees 58% of the line voltage through each winding.*
    Rob

    #3
    a wye delta motor is NOT a reduced voltage motor. it recieves the full voltage (that the building can provide) at all times (except in Open Transition starters).
    jay guy*

    #4

    a wye delta motor is NOT a reduced voltage motor. it recieves the full voltage (that the building can provide) at all times (except in Open Transition starters).

    Most (but not all) VF drives are reduced voltage starters.
    Depending on how you look at it, a Solid State Starter is reduced voltage starter (but not really).
    Primary Resistor is reduced voltage starter.
    MultiPoint Reduced Voltage is a reduced voltage starter.
    Auto Transformer is a reduced voltage starter.

    a wye-delta starter is not a reduced voltage starter. changing the order of the windings does not change the incoming voltage. it does change the resistance and reactance of the motor...but the motor/starter is still full voltage.
    Jay guy

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    I got out some of my motor/starter books and it does say in both of them that it is similar to a reduced voltage starter but does not classify it as a reduced voltage starter, so my apologies. *

    #6
    The reason it is refered to as a reduced voltage starter is that the applied voltage passes through multiple windings, thus voltage is dropped at each winding. Hence, the term reduced voltage. Who would have ever imagined that a simple starter would arouse this much traffic.

    #7
    This is a good explanation of what approach is. But to expand a little, approach tells us how efficient our heat transfer is. A high approach means a poor heat exchange is taking place. Most likely culprit is waterside fouling. a low approach means there was a good heat transfer. An ideal approach is 0 which would mean the heat transfer efficiency is 100%, which is not really possible, but we can get really close

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    the correct formula for inrush current on ac induction motors includes: magnetizing resistance, magnetizing reactance, motor winding resistance, motor winding reactance, rotor resistance and rotor reactance and of course voltage.

    AND THIS IS HOW IT WORKS!
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    Lets just call it "reduced inrush " and be done with it . Can we put this one to bed now ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlkwal1 View Post
    AND THIS IS HOW IT WORKS!
    Thank god ness for this forum, canT find this in a 4 hour class,
    In the 5 years I've been browsing and posting here, I've learned so much, and I know that I'm a better tech for it. I espouse the virtues of HVAC-Talk to everyone I work with.
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    I'll second ya both, good stuff - good stuff





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    Quote Originally Posted by Healey Nut View Post
    Lets just call it "reduced inrush " and be done with it . Can we put this one to bed now ??
    reduced inrush works for me!


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    Talking

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    doesnt look like bed time.,
    no signature blast'em man blast'em
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    Thanks for the thought Jay.

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    OK, I have read this post and now have all kinds of questions, why ----- I have no idea why, I just do .................

    LOVE IT ALL..........

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    no it would be a mega super dooper hella reduced electromotive force starter!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by jayguy View Post
    electrical 101 says that there is voltage drop across ALL windings no matter how many there are in series...1 or 2 or 1000.

    does this mean that all wye wound motors are reduced voltage motors? if i build a motor with 4 windings in series (instead of 2, but of the same total horsepower) will my motor be considered a 'Super Reduced Voltage' motor/starter? will this make my starter have a lower inrush than everyone elses?

    (the answer is no)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayguy View Post
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