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  1. #1
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    Why has it never cooled well?

    And why did it fail? Comp permanently open at IOL.

    Changing out a 3 ton Goodman system in an upstairs lake house and when I removed the condenser, I noticed the armaflex had a crease in it and it moved easily. Found a major kink in the line and will have to cut up the wall to get to good copper. No way to replace this copper without major retrofitting (No attic and up stairs between floors).

    Then inside with the air handler out, I saw another crease in the armaflex- yep- another kink.

    Been like this since day one. Customer said it never cooled much. Amazing it lasted this long.





    At condenser;





    At air handler;






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    Your unit and the neighbours is way up of the ground.
    You trying to keep them away from cooper theives.
    Dog urination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peztoy View Post
    Your unit and the neighbours is way up of the ground.
    You trying to keep them away from cooper theives.
    Dog urination.
    Not my house- I couldn't afford to live there and wouldn't if I could anyway.

    We have floods here. The big flood of 98' went 2/3 the way up where the condensers sit.

    I used to make a lot of money in floods until the units were raised up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walterc View Post
    Not my house- I couldn't afford to live there and wouldn't if I could anyway.

    We have floods here. The big flood of 98' went 2/3 the way up where the condensers sit.

    I used to make a lot of money in floods until the units were raised up.
    Yeah, that pesky govt got in the way of your profits...
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    Quote Originally Posted by walterc View Post
    Not my house- I couldn't afford to live there and wouldn't if I could anyway.

    We have floods here. The big flood of 98' went 2/3 the way up where the condensers sit.

    I used to make a lot of money in floods until the units were raised up.
    Too funny!!!

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    OSHA would love you for that duct jack stunt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zw17 View Post
    OSHA would love you for that duct jack stunt.
    Thats a 1,000 lb capacity lift with legs that outrig to 5' wide.
    Has the aluminum forks that weight 40 lbs a piece and a 3/16" metal platform bolted down. You won't find a more stable way to get it up there. It doesn't move. I don't see how it is a stunt.?

    It's what it's made for.




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    Quote Originally Posted by walterc View Post
    Thats a 1,000 lb capacity lift with legs that outrig to 5' wide.
    Has the aluminum forks that weight 40 lbs a piece and a 3/16" metal platform bolted down. You won't find a more stable way to get it up there. It doesn't move. I don't see how it is a stunt.?
    1) I cannot see the outriggers but we can assume they are out?

    2) I don't see how the load is secured to the lifting device.

    3) The lift is located on unstable ground, needs plywood under it to be considered solid ground.

    This is just the three I can find within a minute of looking at this pic.

    Not busting your balls, just playing devils advocate in the hopes of keeping you safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zw17 View Post
    1) I cannot see the outriggers but we can assume they are out?

    2) I don't see how the load is secured to the lifting device.

    3) The lift is located on unstable ground, needs plywood under it to be considered solid ground.

    This is just the three I can find within a minute of looking at this pic.

    Not busting your balls, just playing devils advocate in the hopes of keeping you safe.
    I understand what your saying.

    The wheels are setting on ply squares that have holes in them for the wheels to lock into- you can't see that except just to the left of the new a/c on the ground.

    No- it isn't tied down and maybe it should be, but as hard as it is to slide the condenser, my concern is only the lift falling over.

    Since it is on level ground and the ground is hard packed, I didn't extend the legs. I couldn't extend the leg to the left anyway.

    So far this is maybe the 6th one and some were setup on what would be considered unsafe ground, but if you take your time to set it up, you can make it without a hitch. Most important is to have it level.

    If it could fall in any direction that would damage property, I would rope tie it in some way to prevent that.


    You should have seen the one we could rent from Trane- a ratchet type lift that swayed in the wind and you had to ratchet it as you went up with it on a ladder.



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    Quote Originally Posted by walterc View Post
    Changing out a 3 ton Goodman system in an upstairs lake house and when I removed the condenser, I noticed the armaflex had a crease in it and it moved easily. Found a major kink in the line and will have to cut up the wall to get to good copper. No way to replace this copper without major retrofitting (No attic and up stairs between floors).

    Been like this since day one. Customer said it never cooled much. Amazing it lasted this long.
    Dude....

    That's the Goodman "swirljet" evaporator pressure regulator.

    A savvy veteran like you should have recognized this....
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

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    Still consider myself a newbie, but I see things done like this all the time. We wonder why people think or trade is crooked. Drives me crazy, what ever happened to quality workmanship, that's what made America great. Not this " Good enough for government work" crap. If you wouldn't do it on your mama's unit, then don't do it to someone else's. Just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mooroper View Post
    Still consider myself a newbie, but I see things done like this all the time. We wonder why people think or trade is crooked. Drives me crazy, what ever happened to quality workmanship, that's what made America great. Not this " Good enough for government work" crap. If you wouldn't do it on your mama's unit, then don't do it to someone else's. Just my 2 cents.
    I wonder how many hacks WOULD do it to their mama's unit...

    I agree... lack of pride in one's work is a MAJOR issue in the decline of American industry.
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    Probably kinked after lineset was roughed out. Landscapers are notorious for this. Should have been caught before install though......
    Tough times don't last...Tough people do.

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