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03-13-2012, 09:04 PM #53
Written for a Canadian audience but with the perspective of someone who has been in Afghanistan.
Speed up withdrawal from Afghanistan?
MOSCOW -- As perhaps the only independent witness to every phase of Canada's military engagement in Afghanistan from 2002 to this year, I have always been among the evolving mission's strongest backers. I have observed what has been learned and what has been accomplished, and have always come away impressed by the soldiers and leaders who are part of what is the best small army in the world.
But only a couple of weeks after visiting Canada's trainers in Kabul and Herat, I am in a quandary.
What a lone American sergeant did early Sunday morning -- patiently going door to door in a parched stretch of rural Kandahar that was for more than five years a Canadian responsibility, to murder 16 sleeping Afghan civilians, including nine kids -- is beyond comprehension.
What the consequences will be for coalition troops -- including slightly more than 900 Canadian advisers, who work closely every day with thousands of Afghan soldiers and police -- is unknown. But consequences can surely be expected for the actions of this soldier, who was apparently able to walk off by himself because he was attached to a group of U.S. Special Forces commandos who frequently operate outside of forward operating bases....Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain
03-13-2012, 09:27 PM #54
Not being nasty, just another
03-13-2012, 10:51 PM #55Professional Member*
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03-13-2012, 11:05 PM #56Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain
03-14-2012, 02:35 AM #57
When your head gets turned around, your head gets turned around, and thank goodness he was not a tactical nuclear missile technician (with a little help from his friends) ... Some of you will recognize that...
Now, we have this person who "allegedly" but probably went over the edge, and we've got 90% Americans and 97.99% Canadians condemning this guy to the "Hang'em High" philosophy.
Does no one stop to think about why or how this person who is a well decorated professional soldier (from media) with a family back home would do this as a rational person?
There's more to this than what we are hearing right now, BUT there's NO way this person should be turned over to the Afghanistan so called "authorities"...
Sorry all, I'm just PO'd at trying to help the world and being kicked around about it... I guess I'm just wrong!
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03-14-2012, 07:20 AM #58Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain
03-14-2012, 07:27 AM #59
Being attached to a special forces unit, how do you know that he wasn't ordered to do this?"If anybody can draw on the power, where do we put the meter?" - JP Morgan before pulling Tesla funding
03-14-2012, 10:39 AM #60
This obviously is going to harm the reputations of those NATO people who are left in Afghanistan, but that's another issue. The real issue here is likely one of mental health, but somehow a lot of people seem to have got the "Get a rope" fixation as a solution at the top of their list.
If this was your own son and he snapped (obvious to me anyway) would you want judge, jury and executioner instantly or would you at least want to find out what went wrong? It is too bad about the loss of life, but don't you at least want to find out perhaps what drove him to this?
Most of those barbarians over there don't care (even about the victims), what those idiots care about is the chance to capitalize on the publicity generated by this sad event. Religious fanatics who drive their followers to commit atrocious acts which are as bad, but never get this kind of publicity.
Everyone should step back for a minute and THINK...
Just my own opinions, not trying to put a sharp stick in your eye (unless you desecrate Allied WWII graves)
03-14-2012, 06:01 PM #61
not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.
03-14-2012, 06:31 PM #62It is too bad about the loss of lifeIf this was your own son and he snapped (obvious to me anyway) would you want judge, jury and executioner instantly or would you at least want to find out what went wrong?Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain
03-14-2012, 07:13 PM #63
This reminds me of My Lai, another very nasty event...
03-14-2012, 08:57 PM #64Professional Member*
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This man has fought in 4 different tours of duty, he did so "In defense of our country" and that includes our constitution which grants us the right of due process. If he is simply put through kangaroo court and executed without a through investigation INCLUDING a psych evaluation then we are trampling on the constitution, a crime of which many of us accuse Obama of. This man has been in combat for approx 58 months since enlisting after 9/11 so he needs to be given a fair trial. I hate it just as bad as anyone, but we need to uphold the same constitution that all these men and women are defending.
03-14-2012, 09:39 PM #65
While passing through villages along the road (all dirt roads outside of Saigon) we could tell right away if they were VC villages or not. In VC villages no kids would come out to wave at us like at other villages where we would throw them candy (they gave us more candy than we could eat) when we drove by on our tracks.
One VC village in particular I remember. While on a road march our troop set up a perimeter near the village and bivouacked for the night. That night we received incoming fire from the jungle line 100 yards away. We opened up where it was coming from and then it stopped. Then a few hours later we got a few 82mm mortar rounds lopped in. We were all buttoned up and no direct hits. Our mortar platoon responded quickly with our 81mm rounds in the direction of the incoming. Lots of fun.
Anyhow pulling out next morning we went by the commie village on the way out and I saw 3 kids (10 to 12) standing on a mound making lewd jesters at us implying that we suck their you know what. We all held our cool. Yours truly wanted to open up on them with my 50 cal since they were obvious VC but I let it go.
We marked the village with a red X indicating a VC village. We would generally mount planned operations on those villages. Surround them quietly after night fall and then open up on anyone coming or going to and from the village.
Outside the green zone in downtown Saigon there was a dusk to dawn curfew. You would open up on any movement at night because they were either NVA or VC. In the morning we would then go in and search for weapons, ammo, uniforms and suspicious males to be interrogated.
Let me just say My Lai was a VC village and that was wrong what they did but those villagers planted mines and sniped at Capt. Medina and Lt. Calley's unit. They cracked under stress and lost it. Those civilians should not have been murdered but they were VC and were responsible for the deaths of many of the comrades of the soldiers who lost it. War is hell but I can understand what happened but not condone it of course. Thank you, thank you very much"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
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