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    Britain is one of the most PC countries in the world

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    Unbelievable, a notorious police killer is being released after 15 years – but he must be housed in an area with few police on the streets to protect his mental health.
    Magdi Elgizouli, 44, was diagnosed as having a pathological hatred of the police after he knifed a young WPC to death in 1997.

    The schizophrenic has now been deemed well enough to be transferred from a secure unit to a community hostel, but psychiatrists still fear his mental state could be adversely affected if he sees police on patrol.

    Police killer: Magdi Elgizouli (right), who was diagnosed as having a pathological hatred of the police after he stabbed WPC Nina Mackay to death in 1997 has been released and will now live in a London suburb with less police on the beat.........


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1okrbdiJY
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    what a bunch of idiots. How can anyone condone this release? Unbelievable?
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    Send him to Afgahnistan...they don't have much for police!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    Send him to Afgahnistan...they don't have much for police!
    Dress him in a soldiers outfit and announce him as the guy who killed the civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob_in_WV View Post
    Dress him in a soldiers outfit and announce him as the guy who killed the civilians.
    don't the Neanderthals over there have enough to deal with, you drop this douche over there and he'll be working for the Taliban in less than 2 hours
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    Here is the picture of the victim officer Nina Mackay and the freed killer Magdi Elgizouli after serving only 15 years. Would have gotten the death penalty here or at least life with no parole.


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    He would have gotten the death penalty or life with no parole here for killing a cop.....yes....

    But for killing an ordinary citizen or a even a child......he wouldnt do more than 15 years.

    Everyone in this country, the usa, knows that when we release child murderers or child molester back onto the street that they ALL go back to their ways and usually end up killing a child.

    Yet we continue to release....or unleash...them back onto society every single day.

    I believe that any violent criminal should be killed......and killed the same day as their sentancing.... no more of 20 years on appeal.......no more releasing a freaking murderer back onto the street after 8 years........ no more releasing child abusers out onto the street again knowing damn well they are going to go after a kid again and again till the get caught again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    He would have gotten the death penalty or life with no parole here for killing a cop.....yes....

    But for killing an ordinary citizen or a even a child......he wouldnt do more than 15 years.

    Everyone in this country, the usa, knows that when we release child murderers or child molester back onto the street that they ALL go back to their ways and usually end up killing a child.

    Yet we continue to release....or unleash...them back onto society every single day.

    I believe that any violent criminal should be killed......and killed the same day as their sentancing.... no more of 20 years on appeal.......no more releasing a freaking murderer back onto the street after 8 years........ no more releasing child abusers out onto the street again knowing damn well they are going to go after a kid again and again till the get caught again.
    Sorry Corny, they don't......

    The United States Department of Justice tracked the rearrest, re-conviction, and re-incarceration of former inmates for 3 years after their release from prisons in 15 states in 1994.[10] Key findings include:

    Released prisoners with the highest rearrest rates were robbers (70.2%), burglars (74.0%), larcenists (74.6%), motor vehicle thieves (78.8%), those in prison for possessing or selling stolen property (77.4%), and those in prison for possessing, using, or selling illegal weapons (70.2%).

    Within 3 years, 2.5% of released rapists were arrested for another rape, and 1.2% of those who had served time for homicide were arrested for homicide. These are the lowest rates of re-arrest for the same category of crime.

    The 272,111 offenders discharged in 1994 had accumulated 4.1 million arrest charges before their most recent imprisonment and another 744,000 charges within 3 years of release.

    These stats are similar to current ones I heard on the radio last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    I believe that any violent criminal should be killed......and killed the same day as their sentancing.... no more of 20 years on appeal.......no more releasing a freaking murderer back onto the street after 8 years........ no more releasing child abusers out onto the street again knowing damn well they are going to go after a kid again and again till the get caught again.
    Wow, Corny with a lucid thought that I agree with! Have you been drinking some green beer today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    He would have gotten the death penalty or life with no parole here for killing a cop.....yes....

    But for killing an ordinary citizen or a even a child......he wouldnt do more than 15 years.

    Everyone in this country, the usa, knows that when we release child murderers or child molester back onto the street that they ALL go back to their ways and usually end up killing a child.

    Yet we continue to release....or unleash...them back onto society every single day.

    I believe that any violent criminal should be killed......and killed the same day as their sentancing.... no more of 20 years on appeal.......no more releasing a freaking murderer back onto the street after 8 years........ no more releasing child abusers out onto the street again knowing damn well they are going to go after a kid again and again till the get caught again.
    well , now im all for justice but who needs the salem-witch trials all over again? really you should look at these stories and re-evaluate the statement ...... or live by your own creed!

    Alan Gell North Carolina Conviction: 1998, Acquitted: 2004
    Alan Gell was arrested for a 1995 robbery and murder of a retired truck driver named Allen Ray Jenkins. The two key witnesses presented by prosecutors were Gell's ex-girlfriend and her best friend, who were both teenagers. Both girls, who were at Jenkins' house and pled guilty to involvement in the murder, testified that they saw Gell shoot Jenkins on April 3, 1995. However, prosecutors withheld valuable evidence that might have cleared Gell in the initial trial, including an audio tape of one of the girls saying she had to "make up a story" about the murder. (News and Observer, December 10, 2002) In 2002, a State Superior Court Judge found that the prosecutors withheld evidence "favorable" to Gell, and vacated Gell's conviction. (North Carolina v. Gell, No. 95 CRS 1884, Order (Superior Court of Bertie County, December 16, 2002) (Vacating conviction and granting new trial.) Gell was re-tried in February 2004. The defense team was able to present evidence that Gell was out of state or in jail at the time of Jenkins' murder, which was placed closer to April 14th. This refuted the April 3rd claim by the original prosecutors. Also challenging the state's timetable was a series of statements by as many as 17 witnesses who told investigators that they had seen Jenkins alive between April 7th and April 10th. The most important new evidence was the taped conversation mentioned above, in which the state's key witness referred to making up a story about the murder. Gell was originally convicted in 1998 and spent the next four years on death row until a new trial was ordered. On February 18, 2004, a jury found Gell not guilty on all counts, and he left the court with his family. (PHOTO: Alan Gell (Center), leaves the Courthouse in Bertie Countie, North Carolina, with his sister Frankie and mother Jeanette following his exoneration for the 1995 murder of Allen Ray Jenkins. Photo courtesy Scott Lewis, News & Observer.) (News and Observer, February 18, 2004)
    Read "Time of Death: A Murder Mystery" by Joseph Neff in The News and Observer
    Read "Gells Files Suit Over Prosecution" by Joseph Neff in The News and Observer



    Gordon "Randy" Steidl Illinois Conviction: 1987, Charges Dismissed: 2004
    Gordon "Randy" Steidl was freed from an Illinois prison May 28, 2004, 17 years after he was wrongly convicted and sentenced to death for the 1986 murders of Dyke and Karen Rhoads. An Illinois State Police analysis in 2000 found that local police had severely botched their investigation, resulting in the wrongful conviction of Steidl and his co-defendant Herbert Whitlock. Due to the poor representation Steidl received at trial, a new sentencing hearing was granted in 1999. An appeals court reduced his sentence to life without parole. In 2003, federal judge Michael McCuskey overturned Steidl's conviction completely and ordered a new trial, stating that if all the new evidence would have been presented at the original trial, it was "reasonably probable" that Steidl would have been acquitted by the jury (267 F. Supp. 2d 919 (C.D. Ill 2003)). The state reinvestigated the case, testing DNA evidence, but was not able to link Steidl to the crime.

    The lack of concrete DNA evidence, coupled with the fact that the prosecution’s eyewitness to the murder recanted her statement, forced State Attorney General Lisa Madigan and Edgar County prosecutors to drop the charges against Steidl. (Chicago Tribune, May 27, 2004).
    Read Judge Michael McCuskey's 2003 Retrial Order (PDF)
    Read "The Snitch System" by Northwestern University School of Law Center on Wrongful Conviction



    Ernest Ray Willis Texas Conviction: 1987, Charges Dismissed: 2004
    Ernest Ray Willis was sentenced to death for the 1986 deaths of two women who died in a house fire that was ruled an arson. Seventeen years later, Pecos County District Attorney Ori T. White revisited the case after a federal judge overturned Willis' conviction. (Willis v. Cockrell, 2004 WL 1812698 (W.D.Tex.)) White hired an arson specialist to review the original evidence, and the specialist concluded that there was no evidence of arson. Willis, who was staying briefly at the house where the fire occurred, escaped from the house. Investigators believed they found an "accellerant" in the carpet. Officers at the scene of the blaze said that Willis had acted strangely, and prosecutors had Willis arrested. Despite limited evidence, Willis was indicted for murder and arson. Prosecutors used Willis' dazed mental state at trial - the result of state-administered medication - to characterize Willis as "coldhearted" and as a "satanic demon." Willis' court-appointed lawyers, one of whom later surrendered his law license following drug charges, offered little defense. The attorneys spent a total of three hours with Willis, and as a result, Willis was found guilty and sentenced to death.The state's new arson specialist revealed, however, that the "accellerant" initially suspected of causing the fire was in fact "flashover burning," consistent with electrical fault fires. U. S. District Judge Royal Ferguson held that the state had administered medically inappropriate antipsychotic drugs without Willis' consent; that the state supressed evidence favorable to Willis; and that Willis received ineffective representation at both the guilt and sentencing phases of his trial. He ordered the state to either free Willis or retry him. The state attorney general's office declined to appeal, and prosecutors dropped all charges against Willis. White, whose predecessors prosecuted Willis, said that Willis "simply did not do the crime. ... I'm sorry this man was on death row for so long and that there were so many lost years." (Los Angeles Times, October 7, 2004). Willis, who had no prior record, was released on October 6, 2004 with $100, ten days of medication, and the clothes on his back. (Los Angeles Times, Houston Chronicle, and Dallas Morning News, October 7, 2004).
    Read "Death Isn't Fair" by Micheal Hall in Texas Monthly
    Read "After 17 Years..." by Maureen Balleza in The New York Times



    this guy died in prison - but was innocent....

    Frank Lee Smith Florida Conviction: 1985, Charges Dismissed: 2000
    Frank Lee Smith, who had been convicted of a 1985 rape and murder of an 8-year-old girl, and who died of cancer in January 2000 while still on death row, was cleared of these charges by DNA testing, according to an aide to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush. After the trial, the chief eyewitness recanted her testimony. Nevertheless, Smith was scheduled for execution in 1990, but received a stay. Prosecutor Carolyn McCann was told by the FBI lab which conducted the DNA tests that: "He has been excluded. He didn't do it." Another man, who is currently in a psychiatric facility, is now the main suspect. (Washington Post, 12/15/00 (AP) and St. Petersburg Times (Florida) 12/15/00).
    Read "Requiem for Frank Lee Smith" by Frontline
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    Jeremy Makes a valid point. I personally wouldn't want to be convicted and immediately executed for a crime that I didn't commit. It's infuriating when a crime like this or against a child or rape is committed, but we need to know we are executing the right person, otherwise the real perpetrator goes unpunished and justice isn't served for EITHER victim which is what the wrongly convicted person becomes. But this joker is guilty and needs to stay locked away.

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    If he is a repeat rapist, cut off his balls and let him go after the time period. If he is a repeat murderer, chop off his head (but there are not many of those). Otherwise, let him serve his time and help him re-integrate into society.

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    If the UK is "one of the most" PC countries, we got them beat by a mile. This is comming to a town near you unless some serious changes are made. Open your eyes and ears if you dare.....
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