AB to POE oil conversion

[ReferTek]

Has anyone changed out a racks oil from AB to POE? If so any problems? Thoughts? I want to this so we can change out the gas and get away from the HP80.

[WT70]

It would be no different than changing from Mineral to POE. Maybe a few more oil changes.

I can definitely understand getting away from the HP80. What are you planning on going to?

[ReferTek]

Were going to retro to 404a.... HP80 is big $$$$$$ these days

[WT70]

Have you looked into all the other work you are going to have to do for conversion? Gaskets. Certain types of ball valves. Just about anything that has a rubber gasket has to have the gasket changed.

[ReferTek]

Have you looked into all the other work you are going to have to do for conversion? Gaskets. Certain types of ball valves. Just about anything that has a rubber gasket has to have the gasket changed.

Yes. Ive done a few smaller sattelite systems...just not an entire rack.

[WT70]

Its no different, just more of it.

One thing I have seen overlooked is the older ballmaster ball valves with the acorn nut. They leak.

[ReferTek]

[QUOTE=CRussell1975;12623311]Its no different, just more of it.

One thing I have seen overlooked is the older ballmaster ball valves with the acorn nut. They leak.[/QUOTE

Most of those valves I HAD leaked before the retrofit!

[WT70]

Good Point.

[Doug Lockhart]

Instead of that POE with all it's inherent problems, have you considered PVE?

[WT70]

Other than scouring a system and possible TXV screen stoppage with the resulting scale, what inherent problems do you speak of my friend?

What is PVE?

[jpsmith1cm]

Other than scouring a system and possible TXV screen stoppage with the resulting scale, what inherent problems do you speak of my friend?

What is PVE?

Moisture issues and hydrolysis.

PolyVinyl Ether oil.

[engineerdave]

Okay, I guess I'm at the back of the class as well. Never heard of PVE.

[Phase Loss]

Okay, I guess I'm at the back of the class as well. Never heard of PVE.

any spare seats left?

I may have heard of it, but never seen it, so never cared about it

[Doug Lockhart]

Okay, I guess I'm at the back of the class as well. Never heard of PVE.

It's totally awesomely wowy wizzo wammy cool $hit....Man!!!
That POE is Terrible........ problems with Hydrolization......leaves carboxylic acid goo in the system when it brakes down....into it's parent compounds which of course are carboxylic acid ....and alcohol. here is one article:

http://www2.renkulde.no/MKDokume.nsf/51E871BA6D61F53DC1256F41004AD771/$FILE/27-GB_DT_HYDROIL.pdf

More stuff here: http://www.achrnews.com/articles/ado...a-applications

For the lowdown on PVE.... http://www.pag-idemitsu-usa.com/pve_benefits.htm

[Phase Loss]

I know POE is based on alcohol and acid, which make it the good cleaning agent that it is.

I thought when it broke down, it created organic salts.

and that if absorbed enough water, it could separate and revert back to being alcohol and acid in separate components.

If I'm remembering correctly.

but when cared for correctly POE is a good lubricant.

[engineerdave]

More stuff here: http://www.achrnews.com/articles/ado...a-applications

For the lowdown on PVE.... http://www.pag-idemitsu-usa.com/pve_benefits.htm

Looks like Slick-50 for the HVACR world.... does it work?

[WT70]

If it does it would be a great change in refrigeration oils.

[WT70]

Are there any test cases where the PVE has been run in a Rack?
Where would I find it and what is the general cost per gallon vs/ POE?

[Phase Loss]

I like how it says it makes it possible to eliminate the filter drier.

will it make my hair and d*%& grow too?

[WT70]

I saw that.

Put it in your Service Truck and you can eliminate the Oil filter, and Muffler!

Put it in your lawnmower, It cuts the grass for you!

The part that really bothered me was the "similar characteristics to PAG oil...." was there not some problems with that stuff?


I just saw the PVE is sold in 12oz cans. I am NOT pumping oil in a Rack Via 12 oz cans. 4 pumps, new can. 4 pumps, new can. 4 pumps, new can. Can you imagine doing a full oil change of 7-15 Gallons? Multiple times? The store would be screaming at you.....