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    I was wrong about the *good news* from Canada

    There is no explaining the treatment this poor guy got.

    Madness after a 4 year old draws a picture of a gun

    A father has been arrested, strip-searched and hauled in for questioning – all because his four-year-old daughter drew a picture of a gun at school.

    “I’m picking up my kids and then, next thing you know, I’m locked up,” Jessie Sansone, 26, told the Waterloo Region Record in Canada. “I was in shock. This is completely insane. My daughter drew a gun on a piece of paper at school.”

    A Kitchener resident, had arrived at Forest Hill public school to pick up his children when he was called to the principal’s office. Three police officers informed him he was being charged with possession of a firearm. Then he was escorted out of the school, handcuffed and locked in the back of a police car.

    According to Sansone, he didn’t learn what had caused the investigation until hours after his arrest. Other officers arrived at his home, where they instructed his wife to come to the police station and took his other three children to Family and Children’s Services to be questioned.


    “Nobody was given any explanation,” Sansone’s wife, Stephanie Squires, told the paper. “I didn’t know why he was being arrested. He had absolutely no idea what this was even about. I just kept telling them. ‘You’re making a mistake.’”

    Sansone was forced to undergo a full strip search.


    The school principal, police and child welfare officials said there would need to be an investigation to determine whether he had a gun in his home that children could find.

    Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services, told the Record, “From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child.”

    Waterloo Regional Police Inspector Kevin Thaler said Forest Hill public school had complained that “a firearm was in a residence and children had access to it. We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.”

    He told the paper the school officials’ concern wasn’t based merely on the girl’s picture. Neaveh, Sansone’s daughter, also purportedly made remarks about the drawing that troubled officials.

    When a teacher asked Neaveh who the man in the picture was, she purportedly said, “That’s my daddy’s. He uses it to shoot bad guys and monsters.”

    Sansone said several hours after his arrest a detective apologized and informed him that he would be released without charges.

    “To be honest with you, I broke down,” Sansone told the Record. “My character got put down so much. I was actually really hurt, like it could happen that easy. How do you recognize a criminal from a father?”

    After his release, authorities asked Sansone to sign a document allowing a search of his house. He said he signed it, even though he had the option to decline.

    “I just think they blew it out of proportion,” his wife said. “It was for absolutely nothing. They searched our house upside down and found nothing. They had the assumption he owned a firearm.”

    She added, “The way everything happened was completely unnecessary, especially since we know the school very well. I don’t understand how they came to that conclusion from a four-year-old’s drawing.”

    Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services, said the agency was required to investigate after the school reported the incident.

    “Our community would have an expectation if comments are made about a gun in a house, we’d be obligated to investigate that to ensure everything is safe,” she said. “In the end, it may not be substantiated. There may be a reasonable explanation for why the child drew that gun. But we have to go on what gets presented to us.”

    According to the report, she acknowledged, “I’m sure this was a very stressful thing for the family.”

    As for the strip search, Thaler said the procedure was required “for officer safety, because it’s a firearms-related incident.”

    He noted, “At the point in the investigation when it was determined it was not a real firearm, the individual was released unconditionally.”
    this Bull is pure lunacy. there are much easier ways to investigate this incident without arresting anyone and a strip search, what? are you Canadians just kinky or what?

    ALL of this is done without explanation to the family
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    If the gun grabbers have their way... This would be coming to a town near you in the good ol' US of A.

    I hope to god that this family gets millions for their troubles. That is one retarded school and police force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    this Bull is pure lunacy. there are much easier ways to investigate this incident without arresting anyone and a strip search, what? are you Canadians just kinky or what?

    ALL of this is done without explanation to the family
    Am very sure there is going to be a LOT of flack about this, seems that there were too many "policies" being followed and not enough common sense. Wait and see...

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    I would be finding myself a lawyer. A mere apology wouldn't be enough for the indignity of being strip searched for what amounted to no reason at all.

    Besides, I need the money....
    WHY?

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    Not much different here in this bastion of conservatism.

    A few years ago a 1st grader brought a 22 rimfire cartridge to school and the school called in the bomb squad.

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    PORT ORCHARD, Washington (AP) – A frightened 9-year-old boy accused of accidentally shooting a classmate sat before a judge in juvenile court, crying and wearing an orange jail jumpsuit, as his father gently rubbed his back.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...urt/53230190/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC5096 View Post
    Not much different here in this bastion of conservatism.

    A few years ago a 1st grader brought a 22 rimfire cartridge to school and the school called in the bomb squad.
    When I went to primary school, we had a safety program run by the local police that was called "Elmer the Safety Elephant" (safe elephant?). Anyway, they had display boards with all kinds of blasting caps on them, plus different kinds of deactivated ammunition/grenades/shell casings so that we kids could recognize stuff that we were not supposed to be playing with. I do recall kids coming to school with all kinds of weird and dangerous stuff for "show and tell" sessions. Teachers would usually just take a look, and if it looked live, confiscate and call the police for pickup. I never remember any parent or child getting charged...

    The place I grew up had a lot of hard rock mining activity and also had a large military air base with an aircraft firing range, lots of us kids would look for shell casings and stuff on that range. My father really gave me a verbal wholloping over bringing home several live 20mm aircraft cannon shells, that's just the way it was...

    There were many instances in those days of kids hurting themselves with industrial/military leftovers, and my dad told me that a lot of kids in Europe got killed at the end of WW2 hostilities by playing with discovered guns and other ordinance...

    Different times and attitudes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    really? what does an accidental shooting have to do with a child DRAWING A PICTURE of a gun and then the father getting STRIPPED searched. not to mention being arrested WITHOUT EXPLANATION.

    I wonder what would happen if the child drew a picture of her mother pole dancing
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    And Canada is one of the more "reasonable" countries on this planet......doesn't say much for common senses' survival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    really? what does an accidental shooting have to do with a child DRAWING A PICTURE of a gun and then the father getting STRIPPED searched. not to mention being arrested WITHOUT EXPLANATION.

    I wonder what would happen if the child drew a picture of her mother pole dancing
    She would be asked to strip?



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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    She would be asked to strip?



    If you do not see the relationship between the two stories and the country they originated in and the net effect, well...
    lets see, Printer once again trying to divert the topic, and Jmac trying to stay on topic.

    Lets see if you can logically get from a child accidentally shooting a class mate. To a child drawing a picture:


    especially when the father of the artist has no weapons....at all

    the ball is in your court, feel free to try and make the leap from one to the other
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    lets see, Printer once again trying to divert the topic, and Jmac trying to stay on topic.

    Lets see if you can logically get from a child accidentally shooting a class mate. To a child drawing a picture:


    especially when the father of the artist has no weapons....at all

    the ball is in your court, feel free to try and make the leap from one to the other
    Can you logically think it through that we feel differently about guns in our two countries? Where you have them at hands reach we generally tend to keep them safely stored away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    The parent should be charged for being "stupid". "Yes, yer honour, One charge of stupidity and one of idiocy"

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