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  1. #1
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    Is a nate certified company worth the extra cost?

    Hey guys, great site here just a quick question for the group. I've gotten estimates for a new AC system from 2 companies. I'm in florida. Both companies gave me almost the exact same recommendations, but at very different prices.

    Both are selling a Carrier 25HBC5 with a FV4CNB006T00 air handler. I've been told (and confirmed on my own) that it is a single stage condenser with a variable speed blower at 16 seer. In addition to that both are going to replace the lines and install a new condenser pad and hurricane straps.

    The difference is that one company (company A) is nate certified and the other (company B) is not. Company A has a longer warranty as well. Seems like an easy decision so far, but it's the price that is getting me. Company A is charging about 40% more than company B.

    Is a nate certified company worth that much of a difference?

    Company A is also trying to upsell some extra stuff like a higher end thermostat and UV light purification system. And really trying to sell me on their annual maintenance program. Not too big a deal, it's just a salesman talking, but I don't really like that kind of vibe either.

    Thanks!

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    You aren't paying 40% more cuz their guys are NATE certified alone. There's more to it than that. It does cost to train the staff and the testing is definitely salty. But the fact that they spend the money on training & testing says something about them. And they could just want more profit or have higher overhead. Or the other company has less overhead. Or is hurting for work so "giving it away" just to keep their guys busy.

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    i wouldn't think of it as the company with proper training and certifications is charging 40% more

    i would think of it as one company is possibly giving you much more than 40% less
    the equipment is only as good as the person that installs it. i see many 16 seer systems running with a similiar efficiency to that of an 8 seer bc of poor installation.

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    NO not worth it. It's just a test. Maybe one person is certified.Did either co. run a manual J? How they did determine the load of your home?
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    id agree its just a test, an outdated series of tests at that....

    but the question begs....if its so easy, why isnt the other company certified?

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    [QUOTE=
    Is a nate certified company worth that much of a difference?



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    No.

    In fact, I still can't see what makes a co w/NATE certified techs different than other co's. When I first started doing this there was no such thing as NATE & I don't see how the industry is more honest & better w/it.
    WHY?

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    Just a marketing gimmick.

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    the question shouldn't be why is the one company 40% higher....It should be why is company B 40% lower. What corners are they cutting compared to company A?

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    You need to decide that

    You are the one that owns the house. In the end you will have to live with that decision. Do your research. Get references. Not just the good ones. How did they handle any follow up? If there was a problem, did they come back promptly? Get another estimate, maybe 3, you don't have enough data yet.

    Up front price should not be the deciding factor. You sound like an intelligent buyer. You have some more homework to do. Did you ask the estimating companies the difference between NATE and non-NATE companies? What was their response?

    Did you ask the company trying to sell you the UV light & new thermostat as to why they want to install those items? There may be a good reason. Find out.

    To answer your question, NATE is just a testing organization. Just because someone knows something does not mean that they will do it. Personally, I would talk with the owner of each company that you get an estimate from. Ask them questions about their integrity. That is what really matters. Do they really care about customer satisfaction or not?

    Remember, doctors with PHd's on the wall kill patients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuchulain View Post
    the question shouldn't be why is the one company 40% higher....It should be why is company B 40% lower. What corners are they cutting compared to company A?
    I do not fully agree with this, not that you are not correct. In Houston thereare a half dozen large company's that have NATE techs and perform terrible work and they are all more than forty % higher than mny other hihly qualified companies.

    It sounds as if the OP has a franchise or corporate company A and company B may be a smaller local company; none of us here can tell.

    Joemach makes some very good points.

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    i don't stand by NATE .. its just a bunch of hype. years ago i was in a class for NATE testing. the guy giving the test received X amount of dollars per person, per section . . everyone passed! how amazing ..... there was guys i wouldn't think are average helper status running around being NATE certified now.

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    If NATE is the only reason they give you as to why they charge so much more than their market competitors... i say kick'em to the curb.
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    Go here and look around!
    https://www.acca.org/Files/?id=186

    Is a tech that is Nate, BPI,NCI, certified better that one that is not? Maybe, maybe not but line up 100 techs on each side of that line and you tell me! If a contractor employees all of the above and is a Nate Gold Circle Contractor, member of ACCA, Service Round-table, RSES, NCI Team member, Trane Comfort Specialist company can you expect they are better that a contractor that has no idea of what I'm even talking about? You tell me.
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