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    USA today is clearly not the country I grew up in, but I am not blaming the muslims or the politicians. The people have changed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    USA today is clearly not the country I grew up in, but I am not blaming the muslims or the politicians. The people have changed.
    I agree with you mostly there tool. Why have the people changed though? LBJ a left wing politician is in large part to blame in my opinion.

    He started the Great Society which kicked started dependance on the almighty government, liberalism and political correctness in our country big time. He also opened our borders for massive immigration from the 3rd world from mostly non Western countries with alien cultures, religions and morals. Before LBJ 85% of us were of European descent.

    That is not the case now and soon we will be in the minority in our country. I do blame the liberal, atheist, socialist, Marxist and communist cabal ingrained in our government, press and institutions.

    This is composed of teachers, politicians, the NEA, the Democratic Party and immigrants both legal and illegal with vastly different beliefs than our founding fathers and most of us on this forum.

    Basically we are screwed in my opinion and we are of course fighting a rear guard action to prevent the inevitable fall of our great country due to the suicidal actions initiated by LBJ.

    For sure this is not the country I grew up in either. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    I agree with you mostly there tool. Why have the people changed though? LBJ a left wing politician is in large part to blame in my opinion.

    He started the Great Society which kicked started dependance on the almighty government, liberalism and political correctness in our country big time. He also opened our borders for massive immigration from the 3rd world from mostly non Western countries with alien cultures, religions and morals. Before LBJ 85% of us were of European descent.

    That is not the case now and soon we will be in the minority in our country. I do blame the liberal, atheist, socialist, Marxist and communist cabal ingrained in our government, press and institutions.

    This is composed of teachers, politicians, the NEA, the Democratic Party and immigrants both legal and illegal with vastly different beliefs than our founding fathers and most of us on this forum.

    Basically we are screwed in my opinion and we are of course fighting a rear guard action to prevent the inevitable fall of our great country due to the suicidal actions initiated by LBJ.

    For sure this is not the country I grew up in either. Thank you, thank you very much
    That was very well said. It makes sense, the dependency mentality was non-existent in my grandparents generation. It just wasn't there. [There were some people who were basically bums of course, as there always have been and always will be.]

    Since you put it that way, I can actually see subtle evidence of such 'change' within generations of my own family. I was mostly influenced by my grandparents, or I probably would not notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Generally speaking, the concept that the USA government was involved in 9-11 and or is in cahoots with alqueerda is considered very, very fringe ideas. Muslims might buy it at a 50% ish rate, they have a popular theory that the jewish 'pigs and dogs' did it to make them look bad, or the CIA did it to excuse infiltration into muslim lands.

    Here is what actually is going on: A large diverse element of islam is at war with the USA and allies. It is about that simple.
    We're not even talking about 911, we're talking about the FACT that the United States and Britain created Al Qaeda and supported them to do their dirty work in Libya, this is an un-arguable, undeniable fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTree View Post
    We're not even talking about 911, we're talking about the FACT that the United States and Britain created Al Qaeda and supported them to do their dirty work in Libya, this is an un-arguable, undeniable fact.
    I pretty much agree with that. We pretty much created them in the 80's against the USSR and 30 years later pretty much supported them in Libya against Gaddafi.

    I don't see anything to be outraged about. Certainly the wisdom of these decisions of action deserve scrutiny. In the cases of lbyia, iraq, and afganistan the USA has been in very ugly catch-22 situations where 'dammed if you dammed if you don't' applies. I think the deal in Egypt could be criticized more easily because in that case we helped overthrow an ally. [I think we could have arm-twisted for badly needed reforms]

    Are we in agreement thus far?
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    Osama bin laden created al qaeda when he went to afghanstan to fight the soviets.

    He was a nobody back then... He had maybe....maybe a couple thousand non afghani fighters under him and the support he recieved from the US and its allies in the fight against the soviets was through the mujahadeen.

    As far a al qaeda in libya....... I could see that.... but I dont think we are knowingly giving aid to them. While we might know that there were al qaeda working to topple the libyan government..... it doesnt mean that we are supporting them directly. We wanted that wackjob out of libya and we just couldnt pull out because al qaeda was there fighting to reach the same goal.

    I would say in any arab conflict against a ruling government in the mid east that we support that we are indirectly going to be supporting al qaeda fighters who want to topple the regimes.

    Al qaeda probably has recieved a lot of money and support thru the US in Iraq....but its been money and supplies that have been given to them by alqaeda friendly people in the Iraqi government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Osama bin laden created al qaeda when he went to afghanstan to fight the soviets.

    He was a nobody back then... He had maybe....maybe a couple thousand non afghani fighters under him and the support he recieved from the US and its allies in the fight against the soviets was through the mujahadeen.

    As far a al qaeda in libya....... I could see that.... but I dont think we are knowingly giving aid to them. While we might know that there were al qaeda working to topple the libyan government..... it doesnt mean that we are supporting them directly. We wanted that wackjob out of libya and we just couldnt pull out because al qaeda was there fighting to reach the same goal.

    I would say in any arab conflict against a ruling government in the mid east that we support that we are indirectly going to be supporting al qaeda fighters who want to topple the regimes.

    Al qaeda probably has recieved a lot of money and support thru the US in Iraq....but its been money and supplies that have been given to them by alqaeda friendly people in the Iraqi government.
    Now that is an outstanding post. Excellent summary on topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Osama bin laden created al qaeda when he went to afghanstan to fight the soviets.

    He was a nobody back then... He had maybe....maybe a couple thousand non afghani fighters under him and the support he recieved from the US and its allies in the fight against the soviets was through the mujahadeen.

    As far a al qaeda in libya....... I could see that.... but I dont think we are knowingly giving aid to them. While we might know that there were al qaeda working to topple the libyan government..... it doesnt mean that we are supporting them directly. We wanted that wackjob out of libya and we just couldnt pull out because al qaeda was there fighting to reach the same goal.

    I would say in any arab conflict against a ruling government in the mid east that we support that we are indirectly going to be supporting al qaeda fighters who want to topple the regimes.

    Al qaeda probably has recieved a lot of money and support thru the US in Iraq....but its been money and supplies that have been given to them by alqaeda friendly people in the Iraqi government.
    Man, can you guys read or are you just refusing to do so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTree View Post
    Man, can you guys read or are you just refusing to do so?
    So I said in a previous post that Griffin Tarpley was your source (for your thoughts about this stuff), and now you complain about others not responding when they read it? You did not respond!!!

    Give me a big break!

    If the world is so bad, why don't you just take the interplanetary approach as the "Solarians" did?

    Sorry, logic does not appear to be here, maybe I can find some in Nazi or Communist ideology...

    Just another worth from some dumb bunny in "The Great White North" who actually cares about the world...

    After what these $hitheads did to the Allied WWII graves this week, give your head a shake! We saved these idiots from foreigners and themselves, but they STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND...
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    Quote Originally Posted by enb54 View Post
    So I said in a previous post that Griffin Tarpley was your source (for your thoughts about this stuff), and now you complain about others not responding when they read it? You did not respond!!!

    Give me a big break!

    If the world is so bad, why don't you just take the interplanetary approach as the "Solarians" did?

    Sorry, logic does not appear to be here, maybe I can find some in Nazi or Communist ideology...

    Just another worth from some dumb bunny in "The Great White North" who actually cares about the world...

    After what these $hitheads did to the Allied WWII graves this week, give your head a shake! We saved these idiots from foreigners and themselves, but they STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND...
    I did too respond, you should look before you leap. What do you want me to say? I think Tarpley is solid, I don't have to prove that, you have to disprove it, thats how it works... And you wont be able to because its true so you give me a big break there bud...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTree View Post
    I did too respond, you should look before you leap. What do you want me to say? I think Tarpley is solid, I don't have to prove that, you have to disprove it, thats how it works... And you wont be able to because its true so you give me a big break there bud...
    Actually I was questioning your belief in Tarpley and his convictions. You responded, but not about Tarpley, who is about as Western anti-establishment as they get (from what I can see). Mostly, the mainstream media likely has conspired to keep him from disseminating his ideas to the people, that's probably why very few are subscribing...

    The man has educational credentials and has published, but the non extremists in life (right, middle and left) don't seem to be buying his version of the facts.

    That's the problem with facts... I can really believe that certain information from certain sources are facts, and you can just say that no, those are not facts, just suppositions and hearsay, HERE are the REAL facts!

    We in western society rely on generally accepted information from a broad base of sources, including verified documentation, verified photographs/video and verified human interviews... all independently verified. Sorry to use that word "verified" so much, but that's just what is required for what most of us generally call "the truth".

    Sadly, some governments have throughout known history neglected the verifiable truth and acted unilaterally on very flimsy evidence, much to their and their citizens' regret.

    As far as me being able to disprove anything, that smacks of French Civil Law, where you are guilty until you can prove yourself innocent. Luckily, most of our western democracies jurisprudence is based on English Civil Law, where you are innocent until proved guilty.

    The ease of access to information these days allows many thinking people to more accurately assess what is right and what is wrong with whatever is being served up by who or whatever. As always, some will check, some will procrastinate... that's our society, right or wrong.

    Also don't believe everything my government tells me is absolutely true, but also don't believe that we, our institutions and businesses are inherently evil.

    Those people who are railing against us right now have deliberately forgotten what we saved them from, and believing fundamentalist propaganda, are going to get themselves something far more evil...

    Just my worth, not trying to be nasty (except to those desecrators of the Allied WWII graves...)

    PS... It's "Alfred E. NEU...."
    Last edited by enb54; 03-12-2012 at 02:25 AM. Reason: Alfred

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    Quote Originally Posted by enb54 View Post
    PS... It's "Alfred E. NEU...."
    Pssst! It's another conspiracy!

    SHHHHHH!

    *slinks away*
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    "Osama bin laden created al qaeda when he went to afghanstan to fight the soviets"

    Not quite Corny....Throughout the 80s Bin laden was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.

    Who created the mujahideen?

    In 1979 President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul.

    Hmm...who was Carters National Security Advisor?

    It was Brzezinski.

    Brzezinski was later asked, do you regret having supported the Islamic integrisme, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

    Brzezinski replied... What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

    Sooo, who created alqaeda and the mujahideen?

    Once again, we have come full circle where our meddling CIA efforts in the world have come back and bitten us. We are the ones to blame, not them. We are the sneaky bastards sewing the seeds of deception globally in the night. We are the monster we warn our children about.
    Last edited by coolwhip; 03-12-2012 at 10:28 AM.
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