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    Time to pull out of Afgan and just level the place as needed

    An Afgan soldier kills two American soldiers and wounds others protesting the accidental burning of their evil book the Koran. I say we leave and just keep bombing them as needed to keep the terrorists in check and when the Afgans get tired of it then maybe they can stop supporting them or just let them die until they figure it out. Thank you very much

    Campaigning in Washington state, Gingrich said Afghan President Hamid Karzi owes the U.S. an apology for the shootings.
    "There seems to be nothing that radical Islamists can do to get Barack Obama's attention in a negative way and he is consistently apologizing to people who do not deserve the apology of the president of the United States period," Gingrich said.
    "And, candidly, if Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, doesn't feel like apologizing then we should say good bye and good luck, we don't need to be here risking our lives and wasting our money on somebody who doesn't care."

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    Yea, I dont get alot of it either. Afganistan was directly responsible for blowing up part of our country. We should of just kept dropping bombs on them until they said uncle. War is hell. When did it become about strategic strikes, apologising for a wayward bullet, collateral damage etc etc.? Thers no such thing as declaring half war. We either declare war and mean it or we should stay home. These bastards attacked us first and we should use all we have to finish it. As I stated in my thread running at this time, I dont think we should have our military involved as much as it is but If we make the decision to use our military then we should USE it. Moreover our enemies would do anything they could to kill every man woman and child in America but yet we worry about hurting their feelings.

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    We were not attacked by the government of Afghanistan.

    We are not currently at war with the government of Afghanistan.

    However, I do think we misjudged what we can get done in that country.

    One reason is that it's not really a country in the first place. There are no civic or official records of any kind. Not only does that mean no birth certificates or other records of citizenship, it also means you can't own stuff because there are no deeds. There is also very little infrastructure and no financial institutions whatsoever.

    It's hard to get people to act like citizens when there really isn't such a thing as an Afghani citizen.

    On the other hand, Iraq was one of the more "civilized" of the Arab nations going in. Some if the highest levels of health care and education in the Arab world.

    Making something out of Afghanistan is going to be night and day different than Iraq. And it will take a LONG ass time.
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    [QUOTE=scrogdog;12552431]We were not attacked by the government of Afghanistan.QUOTE]




    You dont think that the Taliban was in cahoots with al-Qaeda on 9/11?

    We demanded that the Taliban give up al-Qaeda after 9/11. Their response was that "al-Qaeda was their guests and they couldn't help us". For all intents and purposes as I see it, we certainly were at least in part attacked by the Afghanistan government.

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    I have no doubt that there was collusion between the two parties. But the Taliban are not the Afghani government. Even so, I do not believe the Afghani government to be innocent little kids either.

    Declaring war on the Afghani government would have been done without a proper casus belli as we would have needed to demonstrate such a relationship before declaration.

    To be blunt, I think Washington is well aware of the situation and even after Bin Laden was found internally in Pakistan such charges were still not levied against them either.

    I suppose one could reason that it would have been counter-productive to do so. As noted, there isn't much of a country there in the first place and certainly their ability to deal with the Taliban or any extremist group for that matter on their own was close to non-existent.
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    But they sure act like little kids throwing whiney tantrums all the time. Oh, you burned some books....WAH!!!...Oh, a cartoon of Mohammmad....WAH!!!...Oh, you write a book I don't like...WAH!! off with your head. Perhaps it's time they got a good 5000lb. spanking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    But the Taliban are not the Afghani government.
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    I'm still not sure what you are basing this on. From everything that I know about it, the Taliban was the government and thats who we tried negoitating with after 9/11. Sure the country has always been somewhat fractioned by warlords. But the Taliban was the major ruler in the country before we ousted them after 9/11. Just like Karzai is the major ruler today.

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    [QUOTE=newoldtech;12554421]
    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    We were not attacked by the government of Afghanistan.QUOTE]


    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    You dont think that the Taliban was in cahoots with al-Qaeda on 9/11?

    We demanded that the Taliban give up al-Qaeda after 9/11. Their response was that "al-Qaeda was their guests and they couldn't help us". For all intents and purposes as I see it, we certainly were at least in part attacked by the Afghanistan government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTree View Post
    The CIA is in cahoots with Al Qaeda
    Really tree you need to get a life. The CIA has been dedicated to neutralizing if not destroying our enemies. You are way out there in outer orbit. Too far out to come in for a safe landing on earth. I hope you find your way home some day to to the land of the sane. Thank you very much
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    [QUOTE=LibertyTree;12559391]
    Quote Originally Posted by LT View Post
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    The CIA is in cahoots with Al Qaeda
    LOL!

    And I checked your Tarply home page. Really, you should look for some other 'news' source. I don't know, I would start with BBC, CNN, ABC, or even sesame street for starters.
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    Hmmm, Interesting about these countries such as Iraq. We went in to find weapons of mass destruction and found none....toppled Saddam Hussain... did away with the Iraqi Dinar with his face on it and printed new. The US Government owns like 4 trillion Dinar that once re-values will be worth about $3 per Dinar. Hey sounds like a great way to reduce the national debt...Payback for the wars they have caused over the years....Hey I'm game for it! You are right, Afganistan is a waste. Idiots with backwards ways of thinking and radicalism....and we're over there fighting that B.S.? If it were my administration the nuking would have been a done deal. If they wish to live in uncivalized violence, then they should have it, and in massive great abundance, then they could all rest in peace......or pieces....Amen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jovusun View Post
    Hmmm, Interesting about these countries such as Iraq. We went in to find weapons of mass destruction and found none....toppled Saddam Hussain... did away with the Iraqi Dinar with his face on it and printed new. The US Government owns like 4 trillion Dinar that once re-values will be worth about $3 per Dinar. Hey sounds like a great way to reduce the national debt...Payback for the wars they have caused over the years....Hey I'm game for it! You are right, Afganistan is a waste. Idiots with backwards ways of thinking and radicalism....and we're over there fighting that B.S.? If it were my administration the nuking would have been a done deal. If they wish to live in uncivalized violence, then they should have it, and in massive great abundance, then they could all rest in peace......or pieces....Amen!
    Dinars or no. I doubt the Iraq war was done to reduce the national debt. It has been rather costly,
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