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  1. #1
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    Help me decide please

    Location: North Florida, coast
    1 story stucco
    Sq ft heated/cooled: 2283
    Current unit Trane 5 ton and 12 yrs old

    I've had five contractors come to quote systems. Two "ball parked" the estimate; one says he will send me the load to confirm his quote. Two did the full job (measurements, loads, duct inspections, asking questions, etc.); both refused to quote for Goodman (my request, very strong opinions against) so I cannot get a full apples to apples comparison. But here is what I have:

    Contractor #1
    Install 20" return, upgrade current supply (10" and 14") to 2x16", 18x18 boot, 2500CFM duct cleaning, any resealing, UV lights (dual), digital thermostat, new pad to code, breaker change as needed, new copper refrigerant lines, AH stand, MERV 16 filter box, heat strip
    Comfortmaster 3.5 ton N4H342 paired with FVM4X4800 AH (low quote)
    Comfortmaster 4 ton C4H3 paired with same
    Comfortmaster 4 ton C4H748 with FVM4X600AT1
    Bryant 16 seer dual speed (cannot read model or AH) - same price as above and we did discuss this was a variable speed unit

    Contractor #2
    Upgrade returns and supplies to correct sizing, copper lines, new pad, UV light (single), duct cleaning (sisal with vacuum), heat strip, digital thermostat
    Lennox 1414X048 15 seer/CBX2764048 AH 2 speed
    * I need to pay for breaker upgrade

    I am concerned that Contractor #1 is insisting I can get the comfort I need in a 3.5 ton unit in the lowest priced option and not raise electrical costs; I prefer to lower them. I feel we need a 4 ton based on sq ft; yes, I am aware of how a 2 speed compressor and variable speed air handler operates.

    So what say you?

  2. #2
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    Did either of the contractors perform a manual j load calculation to come up with their equipment sizing?

    The 2 speed would likely be a 4 ton. I'm not a Bryant dealer but I believe the 2 speeds only come in full tonnages. At least with Trane/American Standard they do.
    If people only focused on the important things in life there would be a shortage of fishing poles.

  3. #3
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    Yes, manual J load. All units except 3.5 are 4 ton.

  4. #4
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    If the load came out to be between a 3.5 and 4 ton and was in my house I would go with the 4 ton system.

    If the budget can handle it I really like the 2 speed systems.
    If people only focused on the important things in life there would be a shortage of fishing poles.

  5. #5
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    Indianapolis, IN, USA
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    The C4H7 is the 2 stage with VS.

    Can't tell from your Lennox quote what model # but likely the builder model single stage with fixed speed high efficiency air handler.

  6. #6
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    af2

    I would want to see the Bryant mdl numbers, both condenser and inside air handler.

    If you truly are in a coastal environment, I would want Trane or AmStd.

    What size heat strip quoted?

    IMO

  7. #7
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    I am about 30 miles from coast. I *DO NOT* want another Trane. Absolutely horrible experience with unit. All the rep would say is that Trane has a lemon every once in a while. Not reassuring...

  8. #8
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    AF2,
    I would not focus on brand, and youre a shining example that brand does not matter! Many ppl think that trane is great and goodmans are horrible, you seem to be other way...which is fine! The moral is brand is not as important as many people think. Your contractor is the key. Load calculation, warranty and service capability, and confidence in your contractor to do the job right is what you should look for.

  9. #9
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    I do agree that install and the contractors ability is paramount over brand.
    However to hear from a Trane rep I got the "occasional lemon" is not ok to me. I cannot gamble on an investment this large.
    I only asked for quotes in Goodman because (a) friends have a good experience with their Goodman units and (b) it is the only way to get an apples to apples comparison from multiple contractors. Engineering the entire system is the key, but it shouldn't be a big deal to quote any brand given that "brand does not matter" - but is seems to be!

  10. #10
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    Quote Originally Posted by af2 View Post
    I do agree that install and the contractors ability is paramount over brand.
    However to hear from a Trane rep I got the "occasional lemon" is not ok to me. I cannot gamble on an investment this large.
    I only asked for quotes in Goodman because (a) friends have a good experience with their Goodman units and (b) it is the only way to get an apples to apples comparison from multiple contractors. Engineering the entire system is the key, but it shouldn't be a big deal to quote any brand given that "brand does not matter" - but is seems to be!
    oh, im not trying to talk you into a trane..im a goodman/amana dealer..and a trane/am std dealer..and a carrier/bryant/payne dealer...maytag, whirlpool, miller,broan, rheem, coleman, etc. I can sell basically anything, and i do sell them all, im just not tied to any one brand bc i choose whats best for the client and the home, not whats best for my distributor.

  11. #11
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    So why not find a Goodman dealer & get a quote from them?

    BTW, you say you live at North Florida 30 miles from the beach.... You wouldn't live anywhere close to Jacksonville?
    WHY?

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