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Thread: Satan Santorum
02-23-2012, 09:37 PM #40
02-24-2012, 09:22 AM #41
I guess the conservative mind can't comprehend complex ideas, it's OK everyone else understands.
02-24-2012, 09:57 AM #42
Your posts never have any substantive meaning or thought out relevant point.
Several of the other liberals on this forum at least make an attempt at relevance and rational thought.
02-24-2012, 10:00 AM #43
02-24-2012, 11:54 AM #44
Seems simple to me. Do you think the government has the constitutional power to force a citizen to have an unnecessary medical procedure? Give it another shot - it really isn't that complex.
02-24-2012, 02:14 PM #45
02-24-2012, 03:29 PM #46
The proposed procedure that brought this to my attention was the transvaginal ultrasound in Virginia. My concern is twofold, one, if we allow the government this kind of control over a legal procedure where does it stop? and two, from all appearances this was a political tactic to curtail access to abortion to satisfy a particular voting bloc. The way I see it the GOP is trying to craft legislation to buy votes, this time they seriously miscalculated the blow back and are in full retreat.
02-24-2012, 05:25 PM #47
We passed this bill in Texas last year and so far it has held up to scrutiny. I do not know about the Virginia law but in Texas the bill requires an abortion doctor to perform an ultrasound and make it and a recording of the baby’s heartbeat available to the mother. The mother has to take 24 hrs. to make a decision one to see the ultrasound or hear the heartbeat. They are not forced to just have it offered, after 24 hrs. they can choose to have an abortion if they still wish. From what I understand many have chosen to have the child instead of killing the child.
Now any legitimate doctor (I do not consider any doctor that performs an abortion except under very few instances legitimate) that is going to perform an abortion is already going to perform an ultrasound prior to the killing of the child; therefore nothing is being forced on the patient by the government.
02-24-2012, 05:40 PM #48
02-24-2012, 06:44 PM #49Professional Member*
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So, if you're asking if performing an ultrasound to prevent abortion is Constitutional or not, I would have to say it's as Constitutional as the procedure it's trying to prevent.WHY?
02-24-2012, 07:36 PM #50Professional Member*
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Laws and morality are NOT the same.
And one CANNOT legislate morality... it is a choice; A choice to do the right thing regardless of whether it is convenient or not. This is also called maturity.
Just because the law says this is or is not bad... or this is or is not good... does NOT make it so. Morality is a personal conviction of what is right and wrong.
The legal system of the land was NOT meant to define morality... it was and is meant to pass judgement on folks who choose to not make the right decisions in their lives... as a deterrant to those folks doing the wrong things again and again.
Galatians 2:20-21; Colossians 1: 21-22 & 26-27; 3:1-4; Romans Ch's 5-6-7-8
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02-26-2012, 11:06 AM #51
02-26-2012, 01:02 PM #52
A doctor is going to do the ultrasound regardless, he needs to know what is going on inside; even if he does not care about the child he wants to protect himself from a lawsuit. Therefore the state is not really forcing anything on the woman.
As to the legality sorry not true that it is legal, this is a states right issue not federal and the Supreme Court had not legal justification for ROE V WADE.
I understand you just do not get it but that is what this current election and the TEA PARTY is all about getting back to states’ rights.
Now the federal government does not have the right to force a medical procedure on someone but a state may in certain instances. For instance there are several religious groups that feel it is wrong to use a doctor or medical care. That is fine as long as they do not put a child in jeopardy however if a child has a medical condition that requires medical care or they will die then the state has the right to step in.