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    Not a fan

    This is a pretty average retrofit job from our guys, I'm not a fan of the tru-steam, especially not this drain, how many more improvements can you guys recommend?
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    Honestly, I don't think it's that bad, for what it appears they had to deal with.

    Tell your guys they can't use BI ST 90's for gas piping, along with the gas line looking better without it to begin with.
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

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    from a preference stand point i.m.o what would look nicer . . hard pipe the gas, run the control wire cleaner by getting rid of the telephone looking chord, straighten chimney, run the line set up the other side along with drain & tie in humidifier below

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    Looks like everything is correct, but logistics are not well thought out. If possible I would have ran the lineset and drain on the left side for obvious reasons. If it weren't possible I would have done it much cleaner. I also would have put the furnace on a short basecan so the drains could run to the other side without blocking the doors or looking the way they presently do... Not the greatest install but certainly not the worst
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    A few criticisms I have on this one, the float switch won't work unless the drain clogs at transparent trap, humidifier could have been raised above coil, lineset could have been rerouted under raised floor to come up on left side, elliminating a few bends. Interesting point on st. 90, HVACVEGAS, you say these can't be used in gas pipe? I haven't heard that, but could see why due to reduced ID. Is that in the fuel gas code? I beleive the flex connector on the gas pipe is a requirement in our area, unions were outlawed for a few years aswell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shavedneon View Post
    A few criticisms I have on this one, the float switch won't work unless the drain clogs at transparent trap, humidifier could have been raised above coil, lineset could have been rerouted under raised floor to come up on left side, elliminating a few bends. Interesting point on st. 90, HVACVEGAS, you say these can't be used in gas pipe? I haven't heard that, but could see why due to reduced ID. Is that in the fuel gas code? I beleive the flex connector on the gas pipe is a requirement in our area, unions were outlawed for a few years aswell.
    It's not due to diameter of pipe.

    A st 90 can't pass the stress test required for gas line, but it can for hydronics. St 90's are weaker by design.

    Thus, it's on exactly spelled out in the code. The st 90 just doesn't meet the ashrae (or whatever) specs for gas line.

    Or so I understand.

    What I can tell you, is that there are certain circumstances that supercede this. One of which, is manufacturers requirements.

    EX:
    Goodman specifically spells out what fittings + pipe to use to come out of the cabinet of a 90%. One of those fittings, happens to be a st 90.
    "Better tell the sandman to stay away, because we're gonna be workin on this one all night."

    "Dude, you need more than 2 wires to a condenser to run a 2 stage heatpump."

    "Just get it done son."

    Dad adjusted

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    I like the TrueSTEAM. it uses a lot less water than most humidifiers do.

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    Vegas is right. Same goes for bushings in gas pipe. Be careful. Putting company work on wall of shame is grounds for firing unless you are the owner.
    You need to put the phone down and get back to work!

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    We have installed a few of the True Steams and have had nothing but trouble. Mostly do to installation issues. But other problems as well. The fill sensor has been recalled. Old is grey new ones are black. If it builds up too much press. it leaks via weeping holes next to fill tube on back of unit. You have to clean it regularly. The tanks fills with sediment and the heating coil and fill sensor needs to be cleaned with CLR. Too many parts to go bad. Not a fan.
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    Is that NFGC that you can't use st 90 on gas? Or something local for some of you guys?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaldLoonie View Post
    Is that NFGC that you can't use st 90 on gas? Or something local for some of you guys?
    Can't use them in Ontario
    If every a...... could do this,I wouldn't have a job...

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    That is news to me about the St 90's. I have been licensed for gas in 3 separate states since the mid 80's and I hadn't heard that before. I do know that unions are not allowed in certain spots of the installation, but are required in other parts of a gas installation.

    Local codes vary greatly, but nothing that I am aware of under Uniform, International, or NFPA.

    Not a bad looking install. A few minor problems, but nothing major.

    It is hard for me to get over the installs in outside spaces. They would freeze in a heartbeat up here.

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    How do you Guys not know your Local Gas Law (CodeBook) If you are working on gas?

    Sorry just makes me mad when I come behind and gotta red tag the unit casue something is Illegal and the Customer is crying the blues.I was the last one to touch the equipment its my reasposiblity to make sure its up to code. The TSSA in Ontario would have a field day with you. I have No idea what it is like in the USA.

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