I just spent the last hour and a half watching this debate on the Australian ABC network.
It occurred to me that some on this forum would find it interesting and informative.
No doubt others will find it provocative.
It would be nice to think that anyone commenting on it would watch or listen to it (it's available in streamed video or audio or video download) in its entirety first.
So, grab a drink, find a comfy chair, sit back and enjoy.