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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    There are some PC types here that use the term "African Canadian" but most black people that I know here say "black" and this month in Canada is officially "Black History Month". Actually, most just say Canadian....
    From the limited experience I have in Canada, (mostly fishing trips to Hay River, Red Lake and Thompson) I've only seen Canadian flags flying. During my last visit to Vancouver, we stayed at the Comfort Inn in Richmond, BC that the cab driver called the Heart of Hong-Couver due to the Asian presence. I saw a lot of Asian signage but did not see a single flag flying from another country. All the shop owners were at least trying to learn English and they had menus in English.

    Maybe your immigrants are taking pride and ownership of their adopted country and not just there for the freebies.

    Where I live, illegal immigrants come to the county hospital (Parkland Memorial in Dallas) to have their babies. They don't speak English, won't pay for service and the county has to pick up the tab. Now they have an "anchor" to give them the "right" to stay here and suck up as many benefits as govt. will hand out. Their pride and allegiance is not here, they don't need to learn the language, they proudly fly their nation's flag and we are dumb enough to pay them to stay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texas cooler View Post
    From the limited experience I have in Canada, (mostly fishing trips to Hay River, Red Lake and Thompson) I've only seen Canadian flags flying. During my last visit to Vancouver, we stayed at the Comfort Inn in Richmond, BC that the cab driver called the Heart of Hong-Couver due to the Asian presence. I saw a lot of Asian signage but did not see a single flag flying from another country. All the shop owners were at least trying to learn English and they had menus in English.

    Maybe your immigrants are taking pride and ownership of their adopted country and not just there for the freebies.

    Where I live, illegal immigrants come to the county hospital (Parkland Memorial in Dallas) to have their babies. They don't speak English, won't pay for service and the county has to pick up the tab. Now they have an "anchor" to give them the "right" to stay here and suck up as many benefits as govt. will hand out. Their pride and allegiance is not here, they don't need to learn the language, they proudly fly their nation's flag and we are dumb enough to pay them to stay.
    yes, that is a big difference between the USA and Canada. We don't have an "3rd world" country with a huge crime rate on our doorstep (although the US murder rate is much higher than ours, I don't think it is a comparable difference).

    Immigrants who come here generally, honestly want to be functioning citizens. There are always a few who take advantage of the system but most don't. I really don't know how to solve that particular problem in Texas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    =In this case, as in others throughout the world, the very essence and presence of the US is at stake.
    To me it does feel like we are right at the abyss. Once we cross the 50% threshold of voters who depend upon the gov't for food, shelter and "happiness", the printing presses will not be able to run fast enough to keep up with the "stimulus" payouts.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    =Just ask any person of German descent who is over 70 and who lived in Germany during the 30's and 40's.
    I see some parallels in some areas but not others.

    Hitler created jobs and placated the masses and consolidated his power by stealing wealth from other countries (the early occupations where he was not opposed, Austria and the Sudetenland (sp)) and providing far-reaching social programs like vacations pay for by the govt. I think he also played the crony capitalist card and rewarded business that would accept him and his policies.

    One area that Dear leader obama has not paralleled Hilter is national pride. Watch newsreels of Germany in the 30's and 40's. The nazi flag was everywhere and most of the populace seemed to embrace pride in their country, and was blinded enough by that pride to follow a madman into war and genocide.

    Although it is my belief that obama and Hitler both wanted adulation from the masses and each viewed themselves as the saviour of the nation, obama has no pride in America and rather than unite the country, has thrown down the gaunlet of rich and poor, using class envy to drive a wedge between those who produce and those who suck off the swollen gov't teat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    I really don't know how to solve that particular problem in Texas.
    We could adopt the exact same immigration laws that Mexico has....but then that would not be "fair".
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    Quote Originally Posted by texas cooler View Post
    To me it does feel like we are right at the abyss. Once we cross the 50% threshold of voters who depend upon the gov't for food, shelter and "happiness", the printing presses will not be able to run fast enough to keep up with the "stimulus" payouts.




    I see some parallels in some areas but not others.

    Hitler created jobs and placated the masses and consolidated his power by stealing wealth from other countries (the early occupations where he was not opposed, Austria and the Sudetenland (sp)) and providing far-reaching social programs like vacations pay for by the govt. I think he also played the crony capitalist card and rewarded business that would accept him and his policies.

    One area that Dear leader obama has not paralleled Hilter is national pride. Watch newsreels of Germany in the 30's and 40's. The nazi flag was everywhere and most of the populace seemed to embrace pride in their country, and was blinded enough by that pride to follow a madman into war and genocide.

    Although it is my belief that obama and Hitler both wanted adulation from the masses and each viewed themselves as the saviour of the nation, obama has no pride in America and rather than unite the country, has thrown down the gaunlet of rich and poor, using class envy to drive a wedge between those who produce and those who suck off the swollen gov't teat.
    Hitler didn't have to work too hard to get the population behind him. A forceful and populist leader in a time when the Paris treaty made the Germans poorer and poorer and was generally considered to be grossly unfair, is a leader people will follow. They felt they had nothing to lose.

    Obama is stuck between a rock and a hard place, and any prez before him was too. There really is no easy way to fix the problem with Mexico. Legalizing and taxing pot might help but that is only one thing. It was stupid to include Mexico in NAFTA but it is done.

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    Hitler, like most dictators, won over the German people and was voted into office because he used a technique of pointing blame of the German situation to certain groups of folks in his country and area of the world.

    And the German voters ate that up because he led them to believe if we went and "got them" we could stop all the problems in Germany and each and every person would do well, have food on the table, have a roof over their head and pretty much have what they wanted as individuals, families and businesses - bla, bla bla.

    He promised "change" in the voters mind.

    And of course these focused on groups were the Jewish, the Polish and most anyone else that opposed Hitlers focus and force.

    So the German voters voted a monster in not knowing he was a monster.

    Truth is Germany was reeling from the results of WWI and suffering very badly. In place of taking responsibility for their predicament they started the blame game of selecting others for their problems. A weak character flaw of the German people of that time and a weak character flaw of about 40% of the voting citizens of the United States in present time.

    The big difference is that Germany and it's citizens were ripe ground for this process as they had always been in some form of dictatorship or kingship since time.

    But the United States was formed specifically to protect the individuals rights and freedoms for over 200 years now. And right or wrong, justice or injustice it's been the best way to govern free people for all that time..until now.

    This up coming election is a test to see if the United States citizens, you and me, are willing to do what it takes to maintain and keep our freedoms. obama will do everything possible, even to the extend of sleaziness in the form of goodness, to break this system that we have had for all these years.

    He and his followers are monsters still waiting to get the entire body of their movement into our system for total control. He has already successfully placed himself at the top of leadership and behind closed doors he and his followers are working tirelessly for overcome what is left of the US.

    BTW, did you know his re-election crew has a very large building full of the most advanced technology who have been in the process of contacting and rallying all of his supporters again and soliciting new voters? He's busy at work and we don't see one thing going on. This is exactly how he won the last time and he's got a very good chance of pulling it off again as he is, once again, appealing to those most vunerable to his techniques. And, because of him and his policies in the last 3 plus years, there are a lot more voters in disperation these days.
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    Yes he has a big machine and yes he may get in again but the machines of left and right are pretty equal at the end of the day and it is but a degree or two that separates them.

    I honestly have not seen anything that he has done that is any different than what his predecessors have done. Everyone has an agenda and i would really like to understand what his is that riles some people up, and calling him a socialist doesn't cut it because from where all of us outsiders sit, he is still to the right, almost all of America appears to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Yes he has a big machine and yes he may get in again but the machines of left and right are pretty equal at the end of the day and it is but a degree or two that separates them.

    I honestly have not seen anything that he has done that is any different than what his predecessors have done. Everyone has an agenda and i would really like to understand what his is that riles some people up, and calling him a socialist doesn't cut it because from where all of us outsiders sit, he is still to the right, almost all of America appears to be.
    Would Obama be considered a right-wing candidate in Canada?
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    I think that he would be somewhere near what we would have called a "Progressive Conservative" which is the political party more to the right here. The current Prime Minister is personally much farther to the right than Obama and, IMO, is trying to get rid of our social programs. Death by 1000 slow cuts, so to speak, so we won't get too mad and boot him out.

    Obama certainly would not be considered left wing here, maybe in Britain, maybe.

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    SM, since you are from the outside looking in and don't think of obama like many on this board, can you call attention to anything that he has done that benefits the United States as a whole?

    I'm not a rigid individual and am willing to concede that I may have missed something but IMO, between him, his leftist supreme court nominees and un-accountable czars, he is determined to take this country down to third world status.

    If he has his way, by the end of his next term we will be looking to Canada for our country's security.
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    Other than presenting a much more conciliatory image to the rest of the world (after Bush) only little things like green energy products (much of which was expanded Bush programs).

    I am sure there are some accountability issues placed on the banking sector that are not headline news but the really big problem is the business interests are just too well entrenched in Washington for anyone to get anywhere quickly. Check the Dodd-Frank Wall st reform package.

    Gotta go to work, more later

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    Question african-american?

    You mean he's addressing Charlize Theron, too? She was born in South Africa and is of 100% white descent. She emigrated and is now a US citizen so I guess that makes her African-American. She refers to herself as an American btw. Why can't the blacks? Because referring to themselves as african-american promotes racism, of which they are the worst offenders.

    Been a looong time since I've seen a a white miss american, whote national anthem, white entertainment network, white congressional caucus, etc.

    When you separate yourself from the rest of america with a label of your heritage, you make yourself a racist..

    Written by a French Huegenot/ Irish/ Scottish/ English/ German mutt. My family has been traced back to 1215 and the signing of the Magna Carta. Who cares? I am an American citizen and Americans can be any color/ heritage. If you carry yourself as something else, then you obviously renounce your American heritage and consider yourself not a US citizen. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out of our country.

    Almost forgot to ask: can someone tell me which month is "white history month"? TIA
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    200 plus years of whitey beating it into them...literally beating it into them.... that they were not americans..... I guess its hard for them to feel like they are not different.

    Yes.. it has changed somewhat for some aframs...... your afram sports fiqures and music fiqures are pretty much worshipped as gods by white kids and adults.... but the average afram on the street is still considered a second class citizen by a lot of society.

    I can understand them wanting to hold onto to some sort of identity with their past...... a lot of folks do that.

    Look at the irish and the italians.... these people come from pretty much the dregs of europe......their ancestors were nothing but thieves, criminals.....thugs.... and yet you see irish and italian americans all the time exclaiming their pride at being members of those groups.

    The irish especially...... if you trace your roots back to irish immigrants you are tracing your roots back to people who were referred to as white n words in the early 19th century. Those folks were treated the same if not worse than the slaves.... but of course they sort of deserved it as they were basically no good people......no skills at all except for being good at being worked to death in brutal work environments.

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