Return kills 2 machines

[tunnel_rat]

ahh, installers. put em on the on-call rotation, that'll put a stop to this nonsense!!!!

True, but sadly they wouldn't know a pressure switch from a on-off switch. We tried that once..........lol

[tunnel_rat]

ahh, installers. put em on the on-call rotation, that'll put a stop to this nonsense!!!!

True, but sadly most wouldn't know a pressure switch from the on/off switch.
If you can get them to frame a return that doesn't need a hammer and chisel to install a filter grille in, that makes my day usually......

[tunnel_rat]

Ah yes, love my ISP...........sorry bout the double post.

[orangesummer]

ahh, installers. they know how to put a & b together, but know nothing in between. plus, if they get done early, they still get paid for the full 8 hours. and they never have to see the system ever again once they're "complete". put em on the on-call rotation, that'll put a stop to this nonsense!!!!

Hey now, this was obviously done by DIY. Where i work if theres an issue with the install, they go back for free. Stops a lotta crap callbacks

[Moonrunner]

Hey now, this was obviously done by DIY. Where i work if theres an issue with the install, they go back for free. Stops a lotta crap callbacks

Hey, as an aspiring service tech, I have no issues with shoddy installers A customer would of course prefer an installer who does 30-50% service work - lots of install work but also enough of a perspective to make their work easier.

[orangesummer]

I totally agree! In my 14 years of mostly install ive spent probably a total of 6 doing service work. It definitely gives a different perspective on what to do. I would hope that this thread would not involve any actual installers with the intent to have a career in this field but then again.... I will say the service side has helped me

[Rodney28334]

Thats a mighty big plenum for such a small entry!

[Air Movers]

how can you not tell by the way the furnace sounded alone. The pressure build up probably had the unit shaking like crazy. I would have been able to tell as soon as I started the system and by the way the fan sounded. That big of a unit for sure

[Gerber]

I just had a call the other day, one room never cooled or heated properly. Started looking around the furn in basement, saw a header and some panning missing. Followed the ra boot out of the furnace, up to ceiling and tapped into a 4' piece of duct w 2 end caps. Originally was supposed to jumper over to another trunk line through the joist space, but the duct never got cut out on top. System 6 yrs old, everything still working....how? The only place for the return to pull was through the opening of the filter rack...

[Air Movers]

You really have to learn both sides of the trade for residential.I remember when I first started 15 yrs ago we had sheet metal crews, lineset and condensate crews and service techs who did all calls and start ups. I know alot of service techs who have no clue how to size ductwork or static pressure or how many cfm according to duct size. I did sheet metal only for 5 yrs and got that down and then started running linesets and then low voltage and before long I can do everything. It really does help when doing service work to know how to install properly

[rglasgow]

We were called out to replace a 2YO goodman, that replaced a 2-3YO Rheem, 5 tons previously installed, heatload called for 3.7 ton. Found this return, side entry, this is all the return to this machine, how did the first two companies miss this?

What makes you think they missed it; probably thought it was OK. Seen numerous 12 x12 inch cutouts for 80kBTU furnace to sit on.

[HPpro]

Forget teaching them how to do duct sizing some one should teach them how to use snips first.

[sirjames]

ahh, installers. they know how to put a & b together, but know nothing in between. plus, if they get done early, they still get paid for the full 8 hours. and they never have to see the system ever again once they're "complete". put em on the on-call rotation, that'll put a stop to this nonsense!!!!

If installers get away with this where you work blame your boss for letting them get away with it.